Has Centro SURPASSED Webb???????

It is cool that Webb's 330 was for the win in an important race. Centro needs more int'l quality wins, but he gets the clear nod over Webb thanks to his 2 major medals and the iWC win doesn't hurt.

Chest Rockwell wrote:

Still Slower wrote:

Webb HS record setter. Faster mile time. Faster 1500c time. Centro in 2015, eight, tenth, and eleventh place finishes in meets against the best. How is Centro better?

High school? Who cares?

A couple of fast time trials? Yawn.

High School? Pro meet results. Time trials? Ever sit and kick turns into a short distance time trial.

You are obviously new here. I'll cut you some slack. 1/10

Still Slower wrote:

Chest Rockwell wrote:

High school? Who cares?

A couple of fast time trials? Yawn.

High School? Pro meet results. Time trials? Ever sit and kick turns into a short distance time trial.

You are obviously new here. I'll cut you some slack. 1/10

Balderdash. International championship performances are the only thing that matter. GO TEAM USA.

webb's best 800m, 1500m, and mile were all run less than a month apart. condensed career highlights

a great month for times, but he didn't win anything major in his career. he was inspiring to a generation with his high school performances, but you have to continue to develop and win in a successful career as a pro. no one could argue Webb wasn't better in H.S.

if you can't see that his career has been better, you're blind or just do not think winning medals/titles is important. it is way more important than times, btw. (Manzano's career would be way less significant without the Olympic silver medal and Wheating has run faster than him as a reference. haha)

webb is a much better/gracious athlete and person, but centrowitz has had, by far, the better career. there's no argument.

of course he did wrote:

there's no argument.

There is certainly an argument.

Centro only does the 1500m. He hasn't set records, won an international race, or run world class times in a wide range of events. Webb did 1:43 and 27:30 as a debut against Ritz. Webb beat Mehdi Baala and Lagat. Webb might have even been ranked #1 in the world at some point. No medals, sure, but he actually had some solid wins.

Centrowitz is way better than Webb. Not close.

Centrowitz will go 3:29 at some point and then Webb won't even have the teensy bit faster PR argument.

Webb was facing much better competition, and those guys were most likely doping too.

Centro is racing against much weaker opponents.

Centro just doesnt have the raw talent or range of webb. drugs wont help

he'll never hit 143 or 346 or 1310 or 2745

NEVER

Makersmark120 wrote:

Centro just doesnt have the raw talent or range of webb. drugs wont help

he'll never hit 143 or 346 or 1310 or 2745

of course he did wrote:

webb is a much better/gracious athlete and person, but centrowitz has had, by far, the better career. there's no argument.

And you have come to his conclusion based on what you have seen of these people on TV? If you (and anyone else) like Alan Webb for whatever reason, good for you, but that does not make him a better person than Centro or anybody else for that matter. Unless you know them both personally, I don't see how you're able to make that sort of judgment. That would be like me saying you're the worst kind of idiot just because you made one idiotic post on letsrun.

curious bob wrote:

Centro has run faster over 1500 (which is a better performance than the mile record)

Nope.

3:46.91 = 3:30.10

Centrowitz's PR = 3:30.40

v6 wrote:

Centrowitz is way better than Webb. Not close.

Centrowitz will go 3:29 at some point and then Webb won't even have the teensy bit faster PR argument.

Hi Matt C the Younger!!!! Taking the cue from Torrence we see; self-aggrandizement.

curious bob wrote:

The mile record is considerably slower than the 1500 record, the one that matters.

3:46.91 = 3:30.10

Centrowitz's PR = 3:30.40

Depends on how you read the question.

Surpassed in terms of influencing and inspiring a generation of runners? Certainly not.

I would argue that he has had a better career than Webb up to this point, even without the highest of highs that Webb experienced (AR, winning DL (or whatever it was called then) race).

However, Matthew's career is still on the upswing, and will most likely see him run 3:29, 13:0x (or 12:5x in the right race) and perhaps a 1:43 in the next two years.

He will never have the range from 400 to 10k that Webb did, but almost nobody will. Also, I think range is overrated. Webb's highlights are 3:46 (which as mentioned is only worth 3:30), and winning the Rome or Paris race against Lagat.

Makersmark120 wrote:

Centro just doesnt have the raw talent or range of webb. drugs wont help

he'll never hit 143 or 346 or 1310 or 2745

Certainly 13:10.

Webb's prs are from races he WON. Centro's 1500 pr is a back of the pack pr and he was beaten by a 5k/10k runner during that race.

Webb is the fastest miler in the 2000s!

of course he did wrote:

if you can't see that his career has been better, you're blind or just do not think winning medals/titles is important. it is way more important than times, btw.

The question was whether Centro surpassed Webb, not who has had the better career. Surpassed is a vague term, but it implies an all-around look at the athlete, not just championship records.

And I disagree with your statement in that a weak field will lend to easier medals, and so times have to be weighed as do wins against quality fields (ala Diamond League).

Consider that Mo Farah can win double gold in 2016 & 2020 and yet will never have surpassed Bekele. And many would argue that Sileshi Sihine and Tergat were better than Mo.

Webb's superior times have to be considered. Also his Diamond League win and the fact he was a threat to win every time he stepped on the track must be considered.

Centro is a solid bronze medal threat every time he steps on the track. He has peaked and will never win against a quality field. Also compare the 1500m field in 2013 to what Webb was racing against. Apples and oranges.

Webb at his best was better than Centro, but Centro has had a better championship career. In the end, Centro has not surpassed Webb until he has wins against quality fields.

Yes, just the amount of WC medals combined with more US titles edges him over Webb. Webb will always be more talented with great range, but Center does it when it counts. Don't convert Webb's mile to a 1500m it's a different race. People barely hang on to run 3:30 and you expect them to run an extra 109m after that?

+100000000

Makersmark120 wrote:

Centro just doesnt have the raw talent or range of webb. drugs wont help

he'll never hit 143 or 346 or 1310 or 2745