Alright it's a slow day at the office and I realize this has been discussed before BUT what is your opinion of foreign student athletes receiving academic or an athletic scholarship at American colleges/universitys.
Alright it's a slow day at the office and I realize this has been discussed before BUT what is your opinion of foreign student athletes receiving academic or an athletic scholarship at American colleges/universitys.
You suck.
Whoever said America was the home of the free?
They meant the home of the "free ride"!
It is wholy American to field the best team money can buy.
Coach Caboose wrote:
Alright it's a slow day at the office and I realize this has been discussed before BUT what is your opinion of foreign student athletes receiving academic or an athletic scholarship at American colleges/universitys.
I think its great. It makes America a little more intelligent. Americans can (and do) apply for schols at European uni's, they just dont have the smarts to get in.
DeLima wrote:
I think its great. It makes America a little more intelligent. Americans can (and do) apply for schols at European uni's, they just dont have the smarts to get in.
it does make the u.s. more intellegent. stealing the best brains from around the world has been a hallmark of our country since its founding, and helped make it the dominant power in the world. continuing to do so will only help us.
however, its not true that american's can't get into foriegn universities. despite the fact that america's primary school system blows compared to the rest of the world's, we have far and away the best university system anywhere. the reason more americans don't go overseas to college is two fold:
1. they often don't speak the language on the level necessary for schooling (saying nothing about their intellegence)
2. cost is a prohibitive factor. a good state school in the u.s. might cost only $12K a year for an in-state student. plus you'd be eligble for grants, loans, work-study. all that goes out the window at overseas universities.
Ok here are my 2 cents (and they are Canadian...so it is more like 1.5 cents american).
I personally hate this damn topic. I hate the way I was treated by other athletes because I was considered foreign and I wasn't American.
It started when I was unable to talk to schools such as Colorado, Wisconsin (when Martin Smith was a jerk there... he has since started recruiting canadian kids to Oregon), Stanford, etc. Sure a lot of these schools have strict policies of not offering scholarship to foreigners because they want to be considered only "american" teams. But to make a small (and not that shocking) point how fair is that? Where does it stop?
In the early 20th century in the United States racial discrimination was so bad that people from other ethnic backgrounds were not allowed to attend universities. Now obviousely things have changed over time yet we still have issues like these.
ahhhhh i don't want to make my post that deep so I will just try to wrap it up as quickly as possible.
When I ran at school in the US (no name needed as I dont need people ripping on me) I ran for my University not for my country. It didn't matter where guys and girls on my team were from, we all trained hard and hit the "wall" in order to win TEAM conference titles, etc. I was just as proud as a kid born in the US to be part of my university, to now be an alum of my university, etc. I mean I am from Ontario and I was closer to school from home then kids on my team from Texas, California, etc. It was ridiculous to be treated differently because I was 200 miles North of a make believe border which is only seen on maps. I could of easily have been born 200 miles south.
So why treat me differently? If I beat guys at NCAA's and finished 10th... why is it fair that kids behind me get all-american status and i get excluded? Don't we foreign athletes help push the times, jumps, throws to higher levels? Won't that in the end push all people to work harder?
As bad as it seems if people have a problem with what I have said it could be just a small microcosm of the current US foreign policies around the world. Everyone should be treated equal. Whether you are american, canadian, kenyan, democrat, republican, muslim, etc.
Oh well, it is hard to say all this on a forum and make it sound good unless I spend lots of time writing it. I am sure there are grammar errors (you fun guys and gals who love to pick them out can go at it) but at the same time I hope some of my points can get across.
Please just realize that it doesnt matter if you are foreign or american to compete in the NCAA. We all dream of pb'ing and winning a NCAA crown. We all work hard and keep our studies up in order to stay elgible and earn our diploma. And in some cases you will find "us" foreign athletes (not that i want to separate myself by using "us") have just the same or in some cases more school spirit then other students.
Peace
ahhh, you grasped first hand the fundamental concept of the u.s.: freedom.
you were free to chose any school. any school was free to chose you.
i bet if you had just enrolled at colorado and attempted to walk on, you could have. but no, you wanted more.
its a tough lesson to learn: your freedom to choose if often dependent on others' freedom not to choose you back!
at what school did you go that offered you a diploma at the end of your studies. At all the universities I know, you get a DEGREE after you're done. Did you go to Herzing Career College or something?
Other than that, one of the better posts I've read in a while on this forum
Yeah whats up with some guy who finishes 78th an all american award just because there were a bunch of foreigners in the race. All-American should be top 25 or 35 regardless of country of origin.
this is always one of the more interesting topics that comes up. i think a lot of the resentment from the american students comes from when older foreign athletes come in as freshmen, and are a full few years older than the american freshmen. i know this was the case when i was an NCAA athlete, certainly my conference (the Big East) had a lot of this type of athlete. whereas there is nothing inherently wrong with this, it is something which some people resent. i'll just leave this section at that.
Running at Villanova, i had the opportunity to meet a lot of foreign athletes as well as americans from all over. i personally enjoyed getting to know other people and their different cultures. we had several canadians (Brian Lucas, Kristena Sullivan, Carmen Douma, Ryan Hayden, Kirsty Smith, etc) eastern europeans (Marcinivecute, Parshueva, Muncan, Mitric, etc.), Brits (Steve Howard), Irish (Oisin Crowley, Geraldine McCarthy, etc.), africans (Keino), New Zealanders (Blincoe, O'Brien). and i'm leaving out tons. But each of these athletes came to America for opportunity in both athletics and education, or just to see another part of the world. they wanted to see what it was like in one of the greatest countries in the world. Kudos to them for that. i was very thankful to have met most of them, because i learned so much about the world. Yeah at times is was weird being an 18 year old freshman and having a 25 year old teammate kicking the crap out of me, but i also learned a lot about perserverence and about the sport in general from these older guys. They also bring a different appreciation for sport to the programs. Although some teams are "american only" (which i feel is completely fine, after all this is america) i feel i learned a lot from out ragtag team, and i am glad for this opportunity to have met so many different people from different backgrounds.
as for the comment on the all american/all america certs. well that is just ridiculous. look at the name all AMERICAN.
i do agree with the way it is done now, because it rewards both the top athletes as well as the top american athletes. it is a way of recognizing overall and homegrown talent.
anyway, hopefully this makes some sense, and has at least a few errors so that people have something to do on the boards this afternoon!
- tantino.
All-American imples American. If they change it to All- Collegiate then it is open to anyone.
I'm a little sick of the continued myth that gradeschool education in the US is a joke. It is just that in a more respectful society we don't herd the less advantaged to another place and send the cream to an elite school. We don't create a scenario where the kid is a failure if he doesn't get into the right preschool (although that culture is growing around some of our bigger cities). So that creates a school population of a wider range. People point to the lower achieving students as a sign of failure.
They don't point to the students who come from disadvantaged families and rise to the top. They don't point at the students that excel in the finest universities in the world.
The polititians in the US are using education as a whipping post and hoping they can create a self-fullfilling policy. Then they can run on an issue that everyone has been brainwashed to believe - failing schools. Shame on them and the message they send to kids!
Good one little Dude...ha,ha....Oh boy.....
I think it's neat to be part of a team with people from all over the world. When else will I ever get to hang out with someone from Uganda?
The one thing I think is ironic is that American U's train these athletes, who then graduate and go on to beat their American peers at the world level.
shut up hayden