Middle aged men doping... Colorado issue or everywhere?

Does not seem to be an issue among top masters in the more northern sectors of the state. So maybe it's more of a local phenomena.

1:20 or under is good for a masters runner, and very good for over 50. Not extraordinary, but top placing at the regional level. The level of difficulty and relative performance is even greater if these are done at altitude. 2:34 marathon for a masters runner is outstanding. The state record for masters is in the low 2:30s and maybe even a bit under.

Anyone who resorts to doping is a dope.

A ton of improvement? For whom? Only a tiny fraction of the population could even imagne running 2:34.

Is this a joke? Who the heck are these guys you're talking about? I live in Colorado Springs and know who every decent masters runner is in the city. If what you are saying is true then it's just pathetic and those people should be ashamed. What a sad life. Just go run, enjoy it, grow old, be thankful for your health and quit chasing empty glory.

Facts please. wrote:

Is this a joke? Who the heck are these guys you're talking about? I live in Colorado Springs and know who every decent masters runner is in the city. If what you are saying is true then it's just pathetic and those people should be ashamed. What a sad life. Just go run, enjoy it, grow old, be thankful for your health and quit chasing empty glory.

Great post and I agree...if it is true, they are.losers, pathethic losers who have not accomplished anything.

flatlander20012 wrote:

No, I didn't report them to USADA because i'm not trying to get them in trouble . I was just shocked it seemed as common as they were making it. In Colorado Springs trail running is a big thing and most of those races do not drug test...

Also, to people saying 2:34 is common place. The Colfax Marathon here in Colorado had something like 17,000 people only 1 person ran sub 2:34 there, the winner. That is fast at altitude especially for a 40+ year old dude.

Because financial and logistical challenges make comprehensive testing impossible, it is up to us as athletes to be proactive about keeping our sport clean. If we do not, then we are accepting a total loss of meaning and integrity in our sport as well as inviting terrible health consequences, not only for adults that should know better but kids getting into sport as well. I highly encourage you to contact USADA. With a credible report they will likely show up to test him at a time he least expects it. They provide several ways to report doping here:

fred wrote:

2:34 is jogging. No talent nobodies are doping.

When they get down to 2:12, give us a call.

In case you're wondering who Fred means by "us," please see my handle. We're in a nice little room in a special facility in Eastern Canada, where we look at cute little songbirds out the window and talk running. Thanks!

Good suggestion, Row2tri.

Why not expose these bums?

Our sport has meanng beyond 2:02:57 or 26:17...

Amazing that you can't comprehend the situation at all. OP said the guys straight out told him about unethically getting drugs from a physician for the performance enhancing benefit.

Not one damn person claimed that a 40 year old running 2:34 must be doping or that such a time at that age would be a red flag.

It really doesn't matter how far away someone is from a Masters WR, there are still competitive d-bags that will take any advantage to get faster.

A 2:50 guy isn't going to run 2:12 no matter how much dope he takes, but does that mean he wouldn't get some BS prescription in order to get under 2:40? Answer is no and these are the type of guys the OP was talking about.

Look at all those Boston Marathon cheats, coming up with elaborate schemes to "run" a 3:11 marathon or whatever. There was a guy that got caught course 5Ks in my area about 10 years ago and his times were still terrible. Something like 23 minutes even with a shortcut. He did this at least 5-6 times.

Burpa wrote:

If there's one thing more pathetic than youngsters doping and boasting on these boards, it's masters posting how great they are for their age. Dudes, it's not inspiring.... the competitive obsession of certain, say, over 45's, is creepy.

I agree with this post. I can understand the drive that leads pros to want to dope, or people in their PR years to reach their genetic potential. But I don't understand it at all for 45+ year olds that are minutes behind their PRs still doping so they can win what... age group medals?

Colorado ADT Marathon 2015:

"1 1 1 M 30-34 266 Mario Macias

You QUALIFIED for the Boston Marathon!!!

Boston Qualifying Time: 3:05:00

M 33 Boulder CO 0:29:58

0:29:58 0:34:59

1:04:58 0:47:05

1:52:04 0:37:19

2:29:23 2:29:23 2:29:23 5:42/M

2 2 2 M 30-34 290 Hamilton Joel

You QUALIFIED for the Boston Marathon!!!

Boston Qualifying Time: 3:05:00

M 30 Golden CO 0:33:18

0:33:18 0:37:09

1:10:27 0:49:48

2:00:16 0:39:06

2:39:22 2:39:22 2:39:22 6:05/M

3 3 3 M 30-34 199 Gary Krugger

You QUALIFIED for the Boston Marathon!!!

Boston Qualifying Time: 3:05:00

M 30 Flagstaff AZ 0:33:19

0:33:19 0:39:06

1:12:25 0:54:00

2:06:26 0:41:06

2:47:32 2:47:32 2:47:32 6:24/M

4 1 1 F 35-39 284 Jess Draskau Petersson

You QUALIFIED for the Boston Marathon!!!

Boston Qualifying Time: 3:40:00

F 37 Colorado Springs CO 0:35:21

0:35:21 0:39:59

1:15:20 0:54:03

2:09:24 0:39:57

2:49:21 2:49:21 2:49:21 6:28/M

5 4 1 M 25-29 232 Alexander Harris

You QUALIFIED for the Boston Marathon!!!

Boston Qualifying Time: 3:05:00

M 25 Estes Park CO 0:34:45

0:34:45 0:39:17

1:14:03 0:53:42

2:07:45 0:44:47

2:52:33 2:52:33 2:52:33 6:35/M

6 5 1 M 40-44 113 Marc Waxman

You QUALIFIED for the Boston Marathon!!!

Boston Qualifying Time: 3:15:00

M 43 Denver CO 0:36:05

0:36:05 0:42:20

1:18:26 0:57:13

2:15:39 0:43:42

2:59:22"

There isn't any 2:34 forty year old marathon runner. The thread is B.S.

Is this post for real? I'm a masters runner in Colorado Springs and find this story dubious. You are honestly claiming that an entire group of local masters runners are using, and openly admitted to using, steroids for a running performance advantage? Are you sure you aren't just suspicious and made up the story of admission over drinks? There are so few guys who fit this description (of times) in the local area that it almost seems to cast an accusatory shadow over everyone. And I can assure you that not everyone is using PEDs.

Yep, no 40 year old Colorado Springs resident running 2:34 at the Colorado Springs Marathon or 1:20 in the Colorado Springs Half:

http://adtmarathon.com/results.html

Bingo! Very well done.Your last sentence is absolutely fantastic. It is perfect in content, tone and spelling. It also uses interesting verbs.It is the perfect post for this forum.

outsiderunner wrote:

NoHomoBro wrote:

says a guy who could never run 2:34 at altitude. Lol...

Anyone who says a 2:34 is nothing doesn't realize only .025% of the population can do that.

Yes, sheer lunacy to say that 2:34 is nothing, espcially if we are talking about a runner in his forties.

Yeah, we should all just hang it up and do something else. Running is just for the top .01%. Everyone else sucks, and deserbes to be jeered, booed, and called "nothing."

You are now at the Letsrun.com forum. You have become one of us now.

Please do not show any fear. You will be eaten by a pack of wild hyenas.

fred wrote:

Yep, no 40 year old Colorado Springs resident running 2:34 at the Colorado Springs Marathon or 1:20 in the Colorado Springs Half:

http://adtmarathon.com/results.html

The possible solution is that all the doping cheaters are also liars that make up their marathon times.

Dope. Cheat. Lie.

That is what should be printed on the Lance Armstrong yellow wristbands.

Live Strong was just another lie.

What do you think about this possible solution Fred?

'Elite' Emetic Zebra.form.com wrote:

fred wrote:

Yep, no 40 year old Colorado Springs resident running 2:34 at the Colorado Springs Marathon or 1:20 in the Colorado Springs Half:

http://adtmarathon.com/results.html

The possible solution is that all the doping cheaters are also liars that make up their marathon times.

Dope. Cheat. Lie.

That is what should be printed on the Lance Armstrong yellow wristbands.

Live Strong was just another lie.

What do you think about this possible solution Fred?

It sounds reasonable, but you have to remember that he only had one testicle. So he was down half a quart.

zodd wrote:

Burpa wrote:

If there's one thing more pathetic than youngsters doping and boasting on these boards, it's masters posting how great they are for their age. Dudes, it's not inspiring.... the competitive obsession of certain, say, over 45's, is creepy.

I agree with this post. I can understand the drive that leads pros to want to dope, or people in their PR years to reach their genetic potential. But I don't understand it at all for 45+ year olds that are minutes behind their PRs still doping so they can win what... age group medals?

I don't dope, but do I have your permission to train hard, eat well, stay fit, compete (not jog but run to my ability) a dozen or so times a year and still get some enjoyment out it all? Seriously, I would like an answer. Thanks in advance.

zodd wrote:

[quote]Burpa wrote:

If there's one thing more pathetic than youngsters doping and boasting on these boards, it's masters posting how great they are for their age. Dudes, it's not inspiring.... the competitive obsession of certain, say, over 45's, is creepy,

I agree with this post. I can understand the drive that leads pros to want to dope, or people in their PR years to reach their genetic potential. But I don't understand it at all for 45+ year olds that are minutes behind their PRs still doping so they can win what... age group medals?

It has been my impression that the guys who have been caught or most likely are doping are guys who never were that competitive in their younger days and now crave the recognition that winning or placing high in local races or sparsely attended national masters events gets them. They are the guys that wear their medals after races and seek out any reporters covering the race to try and get their names and faces in a news article. The former elites or talents who still like to race tend to show up, race well and quietly celebrate with their friends and team mates, without seeking any public recognition.

Good work. Obvious OP is some douchebag jealous that master's runners are faster than him and has to make up some BS story to make himself feel better.

The masters runners that I run with have integrity, work hard, and wouldn't jeopardize their health. They DQ themselves if they stepped out of bounds by even a foot in a road race. I'm sure it is the same the same in Colorado!

This is officially a troll thread to give Masters runners a bad name. Probably some young punk that got beat by a Master's runner who ran 1:20 half to his 1:22.

fred wrote:

Yep, no 40 year old Colorado Springs resident running 2:34 at the Colorado Springs Marathon or 1:20 in the Colorado Springs Half:

http://adtmarathon.com/results.html

Fred, you're one of the most attention-span-challenged, idiotic blowhards on this forum, and you're showing this yet again.

Nowhere in this thread did anyone claim that an over-40 resident of Colorado Springs recently ran a 2:34 marathon anywhere in the state of Colorado.

Someone DID point out that a master LIVING IN or near Colorado Springs had run a 2:34 marathon somewhere. Someone else mentioned that only one of 17,000 runners at the Colfax Marathon in Denver this year or last year broke 2:34, meaning that if a master did that it's got to be pretty solid, especially at altitude. That second poster was not being altogether clear, perhaps, but no one said the things you are saying they said.

More importantly, it is OK to be wrong, as you are virtually every time you start pawing away at your keyboard. But being wrong in conjunction with being hostile to other people marks you as an especially woeful turd and implies that you serve no benefit to the forum, to the Internet, to the world at large, and to Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior.

So please chill out.