BBC reporting Kenya set to be declared in breach of global anti-doping rules in surprise WADA move

I've lost all respect for Renato Canova.

u mad bro ?

Renato Canova wrote:

So, let's be clear on my side.

1 - Yes

2 - Ok, Kenya is the most tested among Countries not having an antidoping agency working locally. But the fact last year 135 kenyan athletes were tested for 393 times (globally) remains, and this clearly belies the idea top Kenyans are not tested.

This is really dishonest. That is ONE SINGLE TEST for most Kenyans, the entire year.

If a Kenyan got lucky and was picked for a blood test, there were less than 20 of those. And that is probably their ONE test.

2015 Testing Statistics are posted there.

One test Mr. Canova. One. All year.

The IAAF makes it so easy to dope. You aren't helping.

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

Renato Canova wrote:

So, let's be clear on my side.

1 - Yes

2 - Ok, Kenya is the most tested among Countries not having an antidoping agency working locally. But the fact last year 135 kenyan athletes were tested for 393 times (globally) remains, and this clearly belies the idea top Kenyans are not tested.

This is really dishonest. That is ONE SINGLE TEST for most Kenyans, the entire year.

If a Kenyan got lucky and was picked for a blood test, there were less than 20 of those. And that is probably their ONE test.

http://www.iaaf.org/about-iaaf/documents/anti-doping

2015 Testing Statistics are posted there.

One test Mr. Canova. One. All year.

The IAAF makes it so easy to dope. You aren't helping.

Let's be clear, the same report has a list of athletes and the number of times tested. A very small number of athletes get tested more than once. For the vast majority of Kenyan athletes, they are getting tested once. That's it.

All bow down to Norway for being on top of testing for their one world class runner. Seriously, the ignorance here sometimes!

Metric Miler wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

Methinks thou dost protest too much.

In my eyes, being British disqualifies you from being objective about this issue so do take a seat.

You can pontificate and foam at the mouth all you want but it still won't bring back the glory days of British athletics. Those days are over ... for good. I bet it stings that you had to import a Somali to even compete but that's the only way you'll stand any chance flin the forseeble future. Get used to it. That, or getting your puppets to pick out countries that consistently beat you for blanket bans instead of going after actual individuals.

You're as transparent as a shot of cheap vodka and we all known from where your attacks are emanating.

Once again, you do not know me. I am half African.

Really? Thrown off a bit there. Was expecting the classic "some of my best friends ... " line.

I hereby pronounce you absolved of all bias.

The one small part you used to think you owned, unfortunately.

El Keniano wrote:

Metric Miler wrote:

Once again, you do not know me. I am half African.

Really? Thrown off a bit there. Was expecting the classic "some of my best friends ... " line.

I hereby pronounce you absolved of all bias.

Your attempts to play the race card are ill-founded. I have heritage, extensive family, speak the nother tongue of one of the countries I have been calling out.

However I think that my heritage is irrelevant when it comes to discussing political matters such as this. I'll tell you now, the country is not good at tackling anti-doping and there is deep corruption that plagues the country (not just in sport).

I have no problems admitting this. This is because I am accepting of facts and want a fair and clean sport.

The only racist here is you towards British people. Your bias is incredibly strong. Rather than admit the evidence that Kenya has a doping problem is clear, you instead go straight to claiming the Brits and Americans are persecuting you. It is pathetic. Time has moved on.

Maybe if your country took the approach of change rather than excuses we wouldn't even need to have these discussions at all.

I want to see Kenya competing knowing the athletes are most likely clean. That is not an unreasonable aim.

El Keniano has made me hate Kenya.

I want to clarify that by "the country" I am referring to the African country I hail from. Not Kenya. Before you lose your shit.

The problem with Kenya is not doping. The defenders are missing the point.

Canova is the leader of the ignorant there is a reason for it he is on the payroll.

The talk of a ban is due to AK IS NOT FOLLOWING THE PROTOCOL DIRECTED BY WADA. This does not mean they are doping. So anyone that screams from the mountain top KENYA IS NOT DOPING is totally missing the point.

Stop talking about doping and start talking about protocol. Is AK 100% compliant with WADA? Hell no. They have had 2 years and still are not following the rules. Not doping but protocol surrounding testing for doping.

I agree, but we also cannot ignore the 40+ Kenyan athletes that have been caught by the limited testing carried out by the IAAF (including in competition) in the past 5 years.

Last year two athletes who were sent to the World Champs by Kenya got found as being dirty when tested in the competition. I think that is pretty despicable. It is difficult to even say only lower tier Kenyan athletes dope when there have been quite a few high profile cases now and the two ladies caught in Beijing made the Kenyan National team. One ran 50.7 for a Kenyan national record.

If people like Keniano can actually come on here and tell me that this is OK, I am sad for you, and you do not truly love your country. These ladies took places from other potentially clean Kenyan athletes, who have families and are trying to make a living. I have no sympathy for drug cheats and only disgust for those that defend them in ANY way, including Renato's opinions I'm afraid.

Remember that Canova is paid for those opinions. If East Africans were banned from the sport Canova would be homeless.

now official h@ter wrote:

El Keniano has made me hate Kenya.

Sure. A poster on a message board is the reason you hate a country. Nothing wrong with that logic.

Metric Miler wrote:

I want to clarify that by "the country" I am referring to the African country I hail from. Not Kenya. Before you lose your shit.

I'm afraid to ask but, why so coy about this country from which you supposedly hail? Wouldn't it be simpler if you just came out and named it outright instead of using so much words and space for your elaborate little dance? You're the one who brought it up.

El Keniano wrote:

Metric Miler wrote:

I want to clarify that by "the country" I am referring to the African country I hail from. Not Kenya. Before you lose your shit.

I'm afraid to ask but, why so coy about this country from which you supposedly hail? Wouldn't it be simpler if you just came out and named it outright instead of using so much words and space for your elaborate little dance? You're the one who brought it up.

I don't really like to reveal too many personal details on a public message board, but it's Morocco, which has a terrible anti-doping record which I will freely admit because I am not a liar.

Folks, no one is in denial about the doping problem ... worldwide. But to call for a blanket ban on a country because less than 1% of probably thousands of its runners failed drug tests? To deny Eliud Kipchoge a chance to compete in the Olympics because he's from the same country as a 2:24 marathon guy? To single out one country for punishment when there 100+ others in similar, likely worse positions? I see it an affront and quite offensive, really. Would such moves stand a ghost of a chance in court in a western country?

Which begs the question why it's so hard for so many of you to see "the Kenyans" as individuals the way you would a Lance Armstrong or a Marion Jones? Why would Nick Willis so cavalierly suggest Kenyan athletes be removed from their home country? Absolutely disgusting.

And people get offended because I didn't fold and cower in the face of such toxic attacks?

As I've said before. Your country fails to carry out adequate anti-doping controls. This leaves it open for Kenyan athletes to dope, and they do, just as would happen in any other country in the world. You can't prove that your top guys don't dope. There are inadequate measures against ALL of your athletes. Only athletes subject to IAAF targeted OOC testing will have a leg to stand on.

Of course a country must face sanctions in this case. Because they aren't listening. And of course these measures would stand in a Western country, you have a serious case of victim mentality.

I meant to say you lot want to see Kipchoge banned because he's from the same country as a 2:24 marathon guy who doped, so naturally, he must be doping too.

Look. WADA is working directly with Kenya and have clearly stated what has to be done to achieve compliance. But I bet when, in a few months, Kenya is declared compliant, the whingeing on this site will continue because as far as you lot are concerned, Kenya and Ethiopia have hijacked the sport and frozen the 'right' countries and people out.

Running is the only sport dominated by less wealthy countries because, in it's purest form, natural talent trumps financial might most of the time. We all start on a level plane because running doesn't require investment in expensive equipment and programs. Everybody in the world runs. Which, understandably, is why some are finding it hard to accept as they're accustomed to watching their homegrown heroes dominate sports like cycling and swimming.

As for me "playing the race card", search the archives for old threads about Jeremy Wariner. Look for posts about Nick Willis. American posters here have rooted for Christophe Lemaitre and Daphne Schippers over their countrymen. I wonder why?