Nice lie wrote:
New Contract wrote:I'll worry about that when I can't win the overall title. You worry about "training at your current level", OK?
The overall title of what, the local corporate 5k? Please stop embarrassing yourself. You never ran impressive times in your life, you're no faster than the never-weres you're talking about. At least formerD1 was somewhat fast.
Enjoy your 25 min 5km tempo run at 165 bpm today.
somebloke wrote:
This thread has awful advice. I just got cancer from it.
Nailed it.
We are now at page 7. BS content all over.
formerD1 has not a clue.
He upgraded to bashing online coaches. Geez, now that is something I never heard of.
Letsrun.com - infested with hobby joggers.
Really funny thing is, slow runners like you used to swarm me at meets asking to take pictures with me and asking if they could train with me. Lol. Glad you are doing some road races now and seem content with life.
BS content because I've been swarmed by about 10 different hobby joggers (all probably the same poster) who are angry that I'm telling them that Jack Daniels VDOT, McMillan and whatever are hobby jogging nonsense that has absolutely no relevance at the D1 level or elite running.
Unless you tell me what school you ran at I will assume you're just some sad hobby jogger who doesn't have a clue.
It would be helpful to know running history of some of the posters here. We all know who malmo is but what about the others?
formerD1 wrote:
Letsrun.com - infested with hobby joggers.
Really funny thing is, slow runners like you used to swarm me at meets asking to take pictures with me and asking if they could train with me. Lol. Glad you are doing some road races now and seem content with life.
Ha, utter BS. I've never seen slow runners give a single F... about anyone at a track meet. Or have even heard of a track meet.
News flash: you weren't special then and you seriously pathetic now.
You claim that you moved on from the competitive running mindset after getting into your dream school but you can't shut up here and your username is FormerD1, LOL!
formerD1 wrote:
BS content because I've been swarmed by about 10 different hobby joggers (all probably the same poster) who are angry that I'm telling them that Jack Daniels VDOT, McMillan and whatever are hobby jogging nonsense that has absolutely no relevance at the D1 level or elite running.
Unless you tell me what school you ran at I will assume you're just some sad hobby jogger who doesn't have a clue.
I really don't understand the obsession with Division I here. There are plenty of good runners at other levels, with D III guys consistently running times that are equal to or better to your best times, or their equivalents at other distances.
I, in fact, am one of those people. And my training was based on Daniels' principles. VDOT in and of itself is not a system or an approach to training. It is simply a tool used to help an athlete figure out some equivalents, and it is based on well established physiology.
Happy to post my bona fides, but I am not sure why any particular times are a prerequisite to a rational intellectual discussion. How is whether I am a 14:19 or a 16:19 5k runner relevant to my assertion that adaptation to lactic acid build up can be accomplished with minimal stress on your body by running at a particular pace? That is a stand alone factual statement that can be supported or negated by physiological studies.
Smoove wrote:
my assertion that adaptation to lactic acid build up .
Eh wot?
Not a particularly well developed position, but let's explore:You can poke fun at Daniels studies being 20 or 30 years old, but is there really any dispute that undertaking training that increases lactic acid levels is beneficial?
archaic program wrote:
Smoove wrote:my assertion that adaptation to lactic acid build up .
Eh wot?
formerD1 wrote:
BS content because I've been swarmed by about 10 different hobby joggers (all probably the same poster) who are angry that I'm telling them that Jack Daniels VDOT, McMillan and whatever are hobby jogging nonsense that has absolutely no relevance at the D1 level or elite running.
Unless you tell me what school you ran at I will assume you're just some sad hobby jogger who doesn't have a clue.
You do know that Daniels coached at least two sub 2:10 marathoners?
Mr. Hung wrote:
formerD1 wrote:BS content because I've been swarmed by about 10 different hobby joggers (all probably the same poster) who are angry that I'm telling them that Jack Daniels VDOT, McMillan and whatever are hobby jogging nonsense that has absolutely no relevance at the D1 level or elite running.
Unless you tell me what school you ran at I will assume you're just some sad hobby jogger who doesn't have a clue.
You do know that Daniels coached at least two sub 2:10 marathoners?
That's not a great feat when you are supposed to be THE coach.
2:10 is a 1970 time wrote:
Mr. Hung wrote:You do know that Daniels coached at least two sub 2:10 marathoners?
That's not a great feat when you are supposed to be THE coach.
It's a lot better feat than your 1:20 half marathon and all the hobbyjogger performances you've coached.
daniels is still better than u wrote:
2:10 is a 1970 time wrote:That's not a great feat when you are supposed to be THE coach.
It's a lot better feat than your 1:20 half marathon and all the hobbyjogger performances you've coached.
Well I'll say, I've never done either of those things but in comparison to all of the self coached sub 2:10s one might expect more from THE COACH.
He should go to Kenya and pad his resume.
Edgar Summersby wrote:
Ha, utter BS. I've never seen slow runners give a single F... about anyone at a track meet. Or have even heard of a track meet.
News flash: you weren't special then and you seriously pathetic now.
You claim that you moved on from the competitive running mindset after getting into your dream school but you can't shut up here and your username is FormerD1, LOL!
Don't change the subject - post your running credentials.
Smoove wrote:
formerD1 wrote:BS content because I've been swarmed by about 10 different hobby joggers (all probably the same poster) who are angry that I'm telling them that Jack Daniels VDOT, McMillan and whatever are hobby jogging nonsense that has absolutely no relevance at the D1 level or elite running.
Unless you tell me what school you ran at I will assume you're just some sad hobby jogger who doesn't have a clue.
I really don't understand the obsession with Division I here. There are plenty of good runners at other levels, with D III guys consistently running times that are equal to or better to your best times, or their equivalents at other distances.
My point about D1 is simply that at the D1 level, there is a HUGE disparity between coaching philosophies and training methods. By being exposed to this disparity, it is very difficult for a D1 runner to come to a conclusion that "X" is right" and "Y" is wrong. Both and all methods have created some exceptional runners, and resulted in nothing but pain and injury for others. It is all very experimentation.
Many coaches have said the same - that there is no real "consensus" as to the "right" program, and in fact, many coaches say their coaching philosophy is that there is no program - it's all ad hoc and improvised as they go.
Hobby joggers aren't exposed to this, and as such they have zero credibility when it comes to telling OP whether or not he should be running with his teammates. You will find plenty of D1 coaches who will encourage you to run with people faster than you. Ron Warhurst comes to mind, and he produced some brilliant athletes. You will also find D1 coaches who will sit you out of training if you run too fast. Is there a right answer? Depends on the person, and such person will never know unless he tries both at some point in his training. This is something you can never get or understand by following Jack Daniels, Lydiard, PAAVO or any other single training program.
Edgar Summersby wrote:
Ha, utter BS. I've never seen slow runners give a single F... about anyone at a track meet. Or have even heard of a track meet.
What are you babbling about you idiot.
Two of the most popular running books in recent times, Running with the Buffaloes and Sub-4:00 are about D1 runners. I can't do anything but laugh at the contention that hobby joggers don't care about D1 runners. Especially the middling varsity kids in HS who are running in the 17s/18s for the 5K, which sounds like applies to you!
I guess you haven't seen the crowds at Hayward Field or Penn Relays. Or go to NCAA nationals to see swarms of high school kids there to watch and maybe get a picture or autograph. I'm guessing you didn't even run in college so you don't know about any of this.
You're a slow runner and you never had a chance to run in college so just shut up.
Shouldn't we be asking how the guys who ran sub 2:05 train, as opposed to following some online program that was used by two 2:10 guys over a decade ago? The internet is full of idiots and it seems this place is no exception.
This. There were a lot of awkward skinny dudes who tried to talk to me before and after meets, mostly about whether they could walkon to the team if they have run a 17 minute PR.
Im not sure whats worse - formerD1 trolling or all the sad hobby joggers here living in denial about not caring about NCAA running on a forum dedicated to elite and NCAA running. We are here bc we care about NCAA and elites yeah? All of us would have jumped at the chance to run in college or join a workout with Rupp yeah? The fact some of us didnt or couldnt actually does make us less of a runner but whatever I can enjoy the NBA without having played college ball. But I wouldnt get into a pissing match with Lebron about proper training methods, but clearly some people here would because they read a book or two. Just sad really
Honestly, it is just an entertaining way for me to pass the time when I am slow at work. I also like sharing my knowledge with some of the folks who are genuinely here to find out more about training.