RIP Prince (?)

monte-crito wrote:

I think it is comfortable for the most hardened Prince fan to know that he (Prince) found ~God~

If by "God" you mean Prince's egomania and libido, then yes, he certainly found his "god".

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This...though I put Cash in his class or at least near it, Lennon & Cobain are ridiculously overrated, Orbison had an incredibly unique voice, but not in Prince's hemisphere otherwise.Those on here that don't like Prince, I encourage you too look through his catalog, there is something for everybody in there. I'm not sure there's been another year that two entertainers on the level of Bowie & Prince were lost. Two truly great performers.

troof be told wrote:

OMG wrote:

He was not on the same level as those mentioned above.

better guitarist than any of those mentioned above: check

better multi-instrumentalist than any of those mentioned above: check

better mastery over a range of styles: check

better dancer than any of those mentioned above: check

better vocalist than any of those mentioned above: check, Orbison a possible exception

better songwriter than any of those mentioned above: better than Cobain, Orbison and Cash, at least on same level as Lennon

Conclusion: The others were not on the same level as him.

wtfunny wrote:

It also involves unlawful use, and that still has value today. It's illegal to use a song (for example) in an ad for a product of service without permissions/royalties. As it should be.

You think music should be just given away freely then?

Yes, it should. As I already explained, the ease of recording and distribution has reduced the intrinsic market value of recorded music to near zero. Nobody would spend a dime on it if there weren't a law saying it was worth a dime.

Copyright is rooted not as a legal property right, but as an economic regulation to ensure fair competition between publishers. It was necessary because publishing was expensive and risky, and appropriate because their product wasn't superabundant - the people needed them to produce as much of it as possible. That has long since changed, even for printed material. Printing is cheap and wide distribution is easy, so the service has little intrinsic value. Publishers now resort to collecting and burning older books to fabricate demand for new ones.

Copyright as "intellectual property" is absurd when compared to the economy of ideas with genuine economic utility, i.e. patents. Invent a machine that will actually produce new things, and you have to spend an arm and a leg, and wait years, just to win patent protection for a few years in your own country, never mind the rest of the world. But build a statue of that machine, with no use other than to entertain people, and it's protected everywhere for the rest of your life! It's ridiculous.

Progress has mooted recording as an economic sector. Musicians who make money should perform live. If you don't want people to "steal" your recordings, don't record.

Bad Wigins wrote:

If you don't want people to "steal" your recordings, don't record.

You really are a boob aren't you.

Wendell Berry would agree, to an extent, with you.

But music does have value. That's why Chevrolet pay a small fortune for "Like A Rock". You're suggesting they should be allowed to freely create their own brand identity with a tune that someone else wrote and recorded?

Springsteen opened his show tonight with Purple Rain. It is already on Youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkOxeKA2WNE

freedom from men wrote:

questioner of math wrote:

Is there actually proof that he hit her? Or is this she said, he said? Sinead has a history of mental instability so who knows if he actually hit her. Do you have proof?

- Prince didn't deny he hit Sinead.

- Prince has a long history of being a misogynist .

- He reinvented women, such as Apollonia and Carmen Electra to his own liking. He loved to lord over women & think of them like clay that he had the power to shape.

- He groomed girls starting in high school & even dated high schoolers. See Mayte Garcia

- Prince portrayed domestic violence in Purple Rain.

- He was another male sexist pig.

- So, then there's no proof that he actually hit her. Gotcha.

- Matye Garcia is one person. One person does not equal "highschoolers". There's also nothing inherently wrong with dating highschoolers.

- Portraying things in a movie matters why? If someone portrays Hitler, does that make them Hitler in real life?

- Liking women doesn't make you sexist or a pig. It makes you heterosexual.

- He did not reinvent women.

I'm not really sure what reality you are living in.

wtfunny wrote:

But music does have value. That's why Chevrolet pay a small fortune for "Like A Rock". You're suggesting they should be allowed to freely create their own brand identity with a tune that someone else wrote and recorded?

Well, once again, they pay that small fortune because the law says they have to. Not because millions of dollars worth of work goes into it or its utility in the ad.

But that's also more like the original intent of copyright as a self-regulation agreed to within the publishing industry. Chevrolet is using the song for profit. Businesspeople are always haggling over who gets the money.

It's not like the end user who downloads a song without paying. They're not going to sell it, and only a fool would pay them for it. If they make a derivative product and upload it to the internet, nobody but NBC is going to bother trying to chase it down and DMCA it to death. Digital rights have become unenforceable and consumers won't keep paying forever for what they can get free.

Don't know if you guys/gals are noticing but lotsa of fans are respecting Princes lifelong goal of controlling his digital downloads by not posting.

Prince was the master of controlling his fans but only his most loyal fans.

I read Prince's music catalog is worth $100 million dollars!

No way, I'd estimate half a billion dollars or more.

Prince effectively demonstrates the Vincent can Gogh effect but

comparatively musically. Prince severed the ears of the fans

the majority who were shut. Now a whole new generation must pay

the pri [n] ce. Just think of all those songs some are now masterpieces

that didn't rely on the music critic only the --true fan--.

Good riddance to bad rubbish! wrote:

monte-crito wrote:

I think it is comfortable for the most hardened Prince fan to know that he (Prince) found ~God~

If by "God" you mean Prince's egomania and libido, then yes, he certainly found his "god".

His god was drugs, he worshiped at the altar of addiction.

Prince's former drug dealer tells how the legend spent $40,000 at a time on six-month supplies of Dilaudid pills and Fentanyl patches - highly addictive opioid pain killers - for 25 years

Crazy that I’ve listened to so many songs I haven’t heard after he died

Do you know the song Purple Rain? That is a Prince song.

I do know that one.

I was thinking this one.

Haven’t heard it until a year and a half ago.