Kenya passes anti-doping bill.

Metric Miler wrote:

I think this says a lot about Africa's approach to anti-doping:

Percentage of WADA's budget contributed by the 5 Olympic regions

Africa: 0.5%

Americas: 29%

Asia: 20.46%

Europe: 47.5%

Oceania: 2.54%

You may want to examine the distribution of NADOs/RADOs in those areas. I think you'll find a startling correlation.

Also, WADA doesn't do testing, at all. Not even a little.

Checker wrote:

Checker wrote:

Historically Africa has the fewest dopers so those numbers make sense.

Also dope has no effect on Africans and they can't afford it :)

Also, 'Merican and Europe almost always wins the medals count. More athletes makes it thats ways. More athletes means more dopers to test.

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

Metric Miler wrote:

I think this says a lot about Africa's approach to anti-doping:

Percentage of WADA's budget contributed by the 5 Olympic regions

Africa: 0.5%

Americas: 29%

Asia: 20.46%

Europe: 47.5%

Oceania: 2.54%

You may want to examine the distribution of NADOs/RADOs in those areas. I think you'll find a startling correlation.

Also, WADA doesn't do testing, at all. Not even a little.

The correlation being there are none in Africa? I am not sure what you mean.

I know that the bill footed by each country has something to do with their GDP and population also but seriously, USA? gave $2 millionto Wada last year, Kenya? $3k.

How does that reflect the growing Kenyan presence in track and field? And the fact they have had 40 positives come up in the last 5 years.

WADA does accredit and standardise the testing centers and tries to enforce anti-doping measures across the world.

Kenya is the world's number 1 nation in distance running, we don't dominate anything else to the same extent. While distance is great and interesting, it is a tiny, tiny drop in the bucket as far as sports go. The number of elite Kenyan runners can't compare with total number of elite athletes in, say, the US. For example, you have lots of world class swimmers, cyclists, tennis players, MLS, NHS, MLB, NHL, olympic weight lifters .... So, yes! The US should contribute more than Kenya because they have more athletes in general.

Doping is most rampant in Eastern Europe. So rampant that even chess players are doping. Heck even the fans in the seats are doping.

So it makes sense that 47% of testing happens in Europe

El Keniano wrote:

Kenya is the world's number 1 nation in distance running, we don't dominate anything else to the same extent. While distance is great and interesting, it is a tiny, tiny drop in the bucket as far as sports go. The number of elite Kenyan runners can't compare with total number of elite athletes in, say, the US. For example, you have lots of world class swimmers, cyclists, tennis players, MLS, NHS, MLB, NHL, olympic weight lifters .... So, yes! The US should contribute more than Kenya because they have more athletes in general.

True, I'm not entirely convinced it is ~600 times more. You know Kenya takes part in many other professional sports such as basketball and football, the latter of which I'm sure is far more popular than athletics.

Kenya has had so many doping positives in recent years I really think they should do more about it, as does WADA and the IAAF.

I don't think this bill marks the wind of change.

Anti-doping agencies need funding and better organisation to carry out critical out-of-season drugs testing programmes. Not laws that make it illegal to dope.

more than 600x in terms of the number of USA athletes that need to be tested.

Dude, the law compels the government to release funds.

While Italians are there as coaches and DOCTORS there will be always doping since those guys can do it legally ONLY if there is no other way - Italian psychology (also for paying taxes to government etc.).

Eliud Kipchoge and Wilson Kipsang react:

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/apr/20/kenya-rio-olympic-games-anti-doping-eliud-kipchoge-wilson-kipsang-marathon

I wonder if WADA will now go after the other 53 countries in Africa as well as 150+ developing countries worldwide I'm sure don't have these measures in place. Do I think Kenya was singled out and held to a different standard? You bet.

I think you protest too much. kenya and Ethiopia basically own the entire sport of distance running. Mo Farah breaks it up a bit. Rupp had one great race. Otherwise,it's Kenya and Ethiopia. Watch any major half marathon or marathon. If you want anyone to stay interested at all and pay appearance fees, you should make sure your athletes competing are tested at least as rigorously as top Americans are. They need to have a law, fund proper testing, audit, and disclose results. Stop complaining.

El Keniano wrote:

Eliud Kipchoge and Wilson Kipsang react:

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/apr/20/kenya-rio-olympic-games-anti-doping-eliud-kipchoge-wilson-kipsang-marathon

I wonder if WADA will now go after the other 53 countries in Africa as well as 150+ developing countries worldwide I'm sure don't have these measures in place. Do I think Kenya was singled out and held to a different standard? You bet.

I think when these other countries reach 50 positives in a couple of years, they'll get singled out too.

50 positives without any sort of adequate testing? Imagine how many it would have been if they were actually tested to a satisfactory level and god forbid they were tested enough for a viable bio-passport.

Give it a rest, please. You're flat out lying saying there's no OUC testing in Kenya, how do you think Rita Jeptoo was caught? Also, the sheer volume of elite endurance runners in Kenya by far outstrips those in other countries by a lot.

That number you're bandying about, even if true, reflects a tiny fraction. Other than Rita and maybe one other, I bet you couldn't name as single one of those positives if your life depended on it because the vast majority are third-tier by Kenyan standards. Misguided, gullible folk who simply didn't know better.

El Keniano wrote:

Misguided, gullible folk who simply didn't know better.

The ones without the Italian coach/doctor/manager to keep them safe you mean?

You can't even accept that the ones caught cheating are cheats.

There's no way you're ever going to accept the problem if even when loads are busted, you make excuses for them. Gonna be a rude awakening, but I'm presuming you'll never accept it.

Once it becomes indefensible, there because only one other option - Western Conspiracy. I appreciate it's already been mentioned, but it'll be the only option soon to excuse your dope fueled nation.

Trollism, you are without hope.

You continue to have your idea, based on wrong informations.

I'm now in London : go to read what Brasher explained about antidoping in the Major Marathon (everybody competing in any Major MUST be tested not less than 6 times per year, including random tests in Kenya, OOC, for both blood and urine).

You continue to hide the fact Kenyan last year were the most tested athletes in the World : 135, against 79 from US and 76 from Ethiopia.

You continue to say there are no test OOC : go to read the number of OOC tests in Kenya, both for blood and urine.

One thing is to say the national antidoping agency didn't work, other thing to say Kenyan athletes are not tested OOC in Kenya.

What you don't want to understand is that, also with a working national antidoping, THERE IS NO SOLUTION FOR TEST OOC WITH ATHLETES ABLE RUNNING, for example, 60:00 in HM or 2:07 in Marathon, BECAUSE THEY ARE NUMBER 30 IN KENYA, and there is no Country in the World going to test OOC some athlete number 30 in their national seasonal list.

So, where can we have some advantage ? Not in OOC tests (already carried out by WADA and IAAF), but from having normal tests AFTER EVERY DOMESTIC COMPETITION (road or track), since the athletes doped in the past used to take some PED for trying to improve in local competitions (where today there is some money), and after running better in these races found some manager sending them in competitions in Asia or South America, where they supposed there was not any antidoping, and they were caught positive (not for EPO, but for steroids) continuing the same trend they started in Kenya.

This is what happens for athletes of second and third level, never for top athletes (apart the ecceptions of Mathew Kisorio, the only one really asking for some support, and Rita Jeptoo, cheated during a period of injury by some doctor in Kapsabet who told her to use some legal pharmacy for helping her training, at the moment very poor because of the injury).

So, I can't accept that for you Rita is the rule, and the other 99 clean in top 100 the ecception. I can't also accept your statement about Italian Coach and Managers, because the reality is that Italian Coaches and Managers had a very important role in the development of top athletes in Kenya, both for advanced methodologies and money at the base of training camps.

I think that the best action you can do, when you talk about Kenyan athletes and Italian coaches, is to wash your mouth before speaking, since it's not possible to wash your mind, that, how I wrote about, is so blind that now you are hopeless.

Renato Canova wrote:

Blah blah blah

You continue to hide the fact Kenyan last year were the most tested athletes in the World : 135, against 79 from US and 76 from Ethiopia.

Blah Blah Blah

Most tested BY THE IAAF. I've explained this to you at least 3 times recently, but you still come back with this fact. Other nations are responsible for their own testing and don't appear in these stats, the IAAF target doping nations that don't make any effort to catch their own. Hence Africa at the top.

You don't seem completely ignorant of the sport so why you continue to persevere with this lie, I really don't know.

You use this fact knowing full well it's not true. You're a liar.

What do you have against Italians, trollism? Your bigotry's showing.

I posted this question in the Radcliffe thread. Anyone know?: Quick, genuine, question: did Jeptoo ever say where she got the EPO? I searched but could not find an answer. I remember her Italian coaches / managers being at a race soon afterward and totally disclaiming it. But I can't recall her story of where it came from. I would think that the Kenyan federation would want to know. I know they blamed foreign coaches / agents generally for a while but there seems to be less discussion of that now. Did I miss some resolution of that issue in the last year? Coach Canova - do you know if they are they saying a relative gave it to her? How did the relative get it?

trollism wrote:

Renato Canova wrote:

Blah blah blah

You continue to hide the fact Kenyan last year were the most tested athletes in the World : 135, against 79 from US and 76 from Ethiopia.

Blah Blah Blah

Most tested BY THE IAAF. I've explained this to you at least 3 times recently, but you still come back with this fact. Other nations are responsible for their own testing and don't appear in these stats, the IAAF target doping nations that don't make any effort to catch their own. Hence Africa at the top.

You don't seem completely ignorant of the sport so why you continue to persevere with this lie, I really don't know.

You use this fact knowing full well it's not true. You're a liar.

I see coach Cnova answered that Rita had some doctor help her during a time when she was poor and injured ? I thought it was before she won the last title for the WMM. Am I wrong ?