CrossFit/PALEO doctor Tim Noakes could lose medical license over FALSE advise

He has nothing to do with crossfit and is the most qualified sports advisor out there. But for crusty dinosaur board trolls he is anathema, that is true.

I'd be inclined to take his claim very seriously based on all the research he has conducted. But the idea of losing his license for research-based medical arguments is trampling on free speech and ignoring scientific dispute as a healthy sign of working science.

The medical commission is sponsored by a freaking CEREAL COMPANY for Chris'sakes, what a farce. The industrial-medical complex that relie$ on the degenerating health of all westernized countries is like a disease unto itself.

jjjjj wrote:

I'd be inclined to take his claim very seriously based on all the research he has conducted. But the idea of losing his license for research-based medical arguments is trampling on free speech and ignoring scientific dispute as a healthy sign of working science.

HOW IS IT TRAMPLING ON FREE SPEECH???!!! I swear, 95% of people have no idea what free speech even means.

jjjjj wrote:

I'd be inclined to take his claim very seriously based on all the research he has conducted. But the idea of losing his license for research-based medical arguments is trampling on free speech and ignoring scientific dispute as a healthy sign of working science.

There are pretty heated discussions over his diet claims from the Sport Science guys. Ross Tucker takes a lot of flak on Twitter and his web site because he disagrees with Noakes' scientific research, or lack thereof, and findings on the low carb high fat diet.

Just Eat It wrote:

The medical commission is sponsored by a freaking CEREAL COMPANY for Chris'sakes, what a farce. The industrial-medical complex that relie$ on the degenerating health of all westernized countries is like a disease unto itself.

It was just a matter of time before some retarded conspirace theorist would start to pollute this thread.

Just Eat It wrote:

The medical commission is sponsored by a freaking CEREAL COMPANY for Chris'sakes, what a farce. The industrial-medical complex that relie$ on the degenerating health of all westernized countries is like a disease unto itself.

It's the dietitian organization that filed the accusation that's in bed with the food companies:

The same type of conflict of interest happens in the U.S. as well.

There are lots of web sites going over many of the foods Tim Noakes suggests to avoid. Many of them are junk produced by large "food" manufacturers such as:

Does anyone here closely follow the science of the Paleo diet? From what I've read it's not clear it's better than other diets but I haven't seen much to suggest that it's dangerous either but I'm no expert.

test2 wrote:

Does anyone here closely follow the science of the Paleo diet? From what I've read it's not clear it's better than other diets but I haven't seen much to suggest that it's dangerous either but I'm no expert.

The science is clear.

It's a fad diet.

Paleo basically says you should eat 20 eggs per day and lots of bacon.

This will lead to extremely high LDL and therefore heart disease. Also weight gain and its risks - e.g. diabetes.

If you want to live healthy, eat things in moderation but mostly fruits, vegetables and healthy whole grains. Some meat is ok but it should be a lean cut, preferable fish or chicken.

Tyranosaurus Rexing wrote:

test2 wrote:

Does anyone here closely follow the science of the Paleo diet? From what I've read it's not clear it's better than other diets but I haven't seen much to suggest that it's dangerous either but I'm no expert.

The science is clear.

It's a fad diet.

Paleo basically says you should eat 20 eggs per day and lots of bacon.

This will lead to extremely high LDL and therefore heart disease. Also weight gain and its risks - e.g. diabetes.

If you want to live healthy, eat things in moderation but mostly fruits, vegetables and healthy whole grains. Some meat is ok but it should be a lean cut, preferable fish or chicken.

I eat 3-4 eggs a day, everyday, red meat just about everyday... But also chicken and veggies and fruit

Total chol is 175. HDL 63.

There's logic to what you are saying but I was wondering about data.

Tyranosaurus Rexing wrote:

Paleo basically says you should eat 20 eggs per day and lots of bacon.

This will lead to extremely high LDL and therefore heart disease. Also weight gain and its risks - e.g. diabetes.

I can't imagine paleolithic people ate a lot of bacon. Does Noakes really suggest that?

Double Coach wrote:

jjjjj wrote:

I'd be inclined to take his claim very seriously based on all the research he has conducted. But the idea of losing his license for research-based medical arguments is trampling on free speech and ignoring scientific dispute as a healthy sign of working science.

HOW IS IT TRAMPLING ON FREE SPEECH???!!! I swear, 95% of people have no idea what free speech even means.

Because the backbone of the scientific method IS free speech and debate, THAT'S WHY.

Runningart2004 wrote:

Tyranosaurus Rexing wrote:

The science is clear.

It's a fad diet.

Paleo basically says you should eat 20 eggs per day and lots of bacon.

This will lead to extremely high LDL and therefore heart disease. Also weight gain and its risks - e.g. diabetes.

If you want to live healthy, eat things in moderation but mostly fruits, vegetables and healthy whole grains. Some meat is ok but it should be a lean cut, preferable fish or chicken.

I eat 3-4 eggs a day, everyday, red meat just about everyday... But also chicken and veggies and fruit

Total chol is 175. HDL 63.

Are you following the Paleo Diet or just offering evidence against the notion that such a diet must lead to high cholesterol?

Animals in 20,000 B.C. didn't store energy as body fat. It was stored as tofu.

test2 wrote:

There's logic to what you are saying but I was wondering about data.

Tyranosaurus Rexing wrote:

Paleo basically says you should eat 20 eggs per day and lots of bacon.

This will lead to extremely high LDL and therefore heart disease. Also weight gain and its risks - e.g. diabetes.

I can't imagine paleolithic people ate a lot of bacon. Does Noakes really suggest that?

If you are truly interested in discussing this topic, rather than just having whatever viewpoint you already hold be affirmed, then I HIGHLY recommend you read this article by Ross Tucker:

"Low carbohydrate diets: A plea for balance, scientific rigour & death to dogma"

http://sportsscientists.com/2016/04/low-carbohydrate-diets-plea-balance-scientific-rigour-death-dogma/

Diet like training is idiosyncratic to a high degree. A person with no symptoms of disease or dysfunction might want to be aware of different options, but has no immediate need for change, whereas someone who has been diagnosed with Type II diabetes will have a much higher level of both investment and potential effects of dietary change.

As one who suffered greatly under the "fat-phobic" dietary dogma, and has enjoyed a personal health renaissance by cutting carbs, and sugars down but not out completely, I can see that Noakes may be more inclined to evangelical dogma when discussing the topic. It is hard to be objective about something for which you are certain has saved you from a lifetime of misery.

Most folks will probably benefit from a shift in emphasis, but some will need the more radical interventions which Noakes, Taubes, Attia, et al promote.

The power to regulate medical claims at all is the power to criminalize true claims and make false claims the only legal form of advice. Real scientists fight bad information with good information, by means of argument and persuasion. Government panels rely on force to silence opposition because they are more interested in preserving their own prestige than championing good science. Just like the FDA in the U.S. tolerates no criticism before it imposes retaliatory sanctions on good companies.

Let's not forget that Noakes is the same fruitcake that came up with the "central governor" nonsense. I remember some rather heated debates at ACSM conferences something like 10 years ago. I threw my copy of Lore of Running away back then as the work of a non-scientist, and it appears to me that the guy is not stable and veers from one oddball concept to another. The low carb/paleo stuff is just another instance of that.

Telling a nursing mom to go on a high fat low carb diet can do real damage. In my mind, that should be grounds for at least a malpractice suit, if not removal of medical license.

My wife started the paleo thing a few years ago. While I find it pretty taxing and fairly ridiculous when taken to extremes, if you can just stick to the core, which is little to any processed food, low carbs, no junk food, no sugar.