EAGLES AND PATROITS SUPER BOWL THREAD

Kohlberg wrote:

bmc pool wrote:

did you see how poorly roethlisberger played and how many interceptions he threw? i doubt donovan mcnabb will do that. the steelers played like shit, the eagles won't.

That's the thing about the Patriots. It always seems like their opponents play their worst possible game against them.

i agree with what you're saying, i said what i said because that was the line of argument whoever i responded to was using. was it the falcons tackling poorly, or the eagles doing something that made them tackle poorly? i was just pointing out that it was a stupid way to predict what will happen or who will win. and i don't think mcnabb will play that badly, no particular reason, i just don't.

When I was in Vietnam and coming under enemy fire I hunkered down in my foxhole and wondered what a Patriot would do if they, like me, could apply a BandAid to their scratches.

Patriots 55

Swift Boat Vets 0

All respect to the Colts and Steelers. They have very good teams but they also have weaknesses. The Colts defense and inability to play in the cold and the Steelers secondary and rookie quarterback made them "ripe for the picking". However the Eagles on the other hand are solid all the way around. Their weakness was run defense but now that Jeremiah Trotter is the starting middle linebacker that has all changed. The Eagles secondary consisting of one or two pro bowlers I believe will not let the pats mediocre recievers do what they did to the Steelers. Besides Jeremiah Trotter being a beast holding Dillon to under 100 yards Jevon Kearse will put pressure on Brady not giving him all day to throw like the Steelers did. So the Eagles defense is going to win the game and Brian Westbrook (the next Marshall Faulk) will score 2 touchdowns beginning his career as a super star in this league. It is going to be fun to watch. GO EAGLES!

Now is where I start to use delusional analysis as to why the Eagles will win.

Brian Westbrook. He did not play in the Eagles 3 losses this year or the NFC Championship last year. The Steelers didn’t have that kind of weapon and Manning wasn’t mobile enough to utilize James as an outlet.

Jeremiah Trotter. The Eagles have won every game that he has started this year (although they were against NFC teams). He’s on a total (roid) rage right now and will cause havoc.

Chunky Soup. McNabb’s Championship failures of the past were linked the fact that they had an actress playing his mother in the Chunky soup commercials before. This year the real mom is in the ads and Donovan is more focused.

I have to agree with this guy. If you look at the Patriots superbowl history run, they blow out the teams they play in the 1st two rounds, but in their 2 superbowls, they win by 3 points on a last second field goal(St. Louis 20-17 and Carolina 32- 29). Philly's D can contain NE's offense and vice versa. Both teams can score with each other. I think the real match up is going to be Vinateri vs. Akers.

Pats 31 - Eagles 13.

The Eagles missed a golden opportunity this week in my opinion. They signed a consrtuction worker to replace their injured TE Chad Lewis when clearly the best choice would have been Jason Rexing. Rexing could play on both sides of the ball like NE WR Troy Brown. On offense Rexing would easily fill the void of TO and Lewis since he has the power and speed of both of them combined. On Defense he would use his uncanny intellect to disguise coverages and confuse Brady or use his size to stop the run.

Without Rexing: Patriots 31 - Eagles 13.

With Rexing: Eagles 154 - Patriots 3.

Breaking it down! wrote:

All respect to the Colts and Steelers. They have very good teams but they also have weaknesses. The Colts defense and inability to play in the cold and the Steelers secondary and rookie quarterback made them "ripe for the picking". However the Eagles on the other hand are solid all the way around.

Having a rookie quarterback and a marginal secondary did not make the Steelers "ripe for the picking" for the Eagles when they met earlier in the season. (Nor for the Pats the week before for that matter). Why couldn't Philly pick them off then.

I'm sorry, but to say a 16-1 team, or a team featuring the most productive offence in recent history is "ripe for the picking" is monday morning quarterbacking at it's best. If those teams are "ripe for the picking", that makes Philly - with a mediocre ground game and shaky performances all season - about to fall off the tree.

Every team that played NE this season went into their games against them all fired up to take down the Champs. To claim that teams week-in week-out did not bring their best games against NE is plain ignorant.

I'll say it again: NE will make Philly look absolutely horrible, and on the following Monday morning, you'll come here and say that Philly just didn't play it's best. There is no way that Donovan McNabb will be able to disect the NE coverage schemes, and if the league's #1 rushing offense can't run on the Pats, then Westbrook sure as hell can't.

And I really can't see any way that Philly can stop Brady/Dillon/Branch/Faulk/Givens etc. Anything is possible, but I'm betting against it.

Yea, I guess it was the Pats who caused Roethlisberger to throw behind a wide open Randle El causing a tipped ball interception on the first drive. And it was that great scheme that caused him to underthrow a tight end 5 yards beyond coverage looking like a sure touchdown, only to have it go the other way for a touchdown. I could go on and on. Both sides of this argument are leaning toward the extremes. The Pats defense is tough and definitely causes some poor reads and problems, but don't think that many of the Steelers problems weren't caused by the Steelers. The better team on that day won. That sums it up.

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Yea, I guess it was the Pats who caused Roethlisberger to throw behind a wide open Randle El causing a tipped ball interception on the first drive. And it was that great scheme that caused him to underthrow a tight end 5 yards beyond coverage looking like a sure touchdown, only to have it go the other way for a touchdown. I could go on and on.

You're probably right...it's a coincidence that pretty much every team that faces NE has a bad day, especially in games when it matters most.

I'm sure it had nothing to do with timing disruption caused by NE d-backs that Roethlisberger was throwing to where his receivers were suppossed to be, but in fact were not.

I could go on and on.

Wait...

I just read that God is healing Owens.

If God gets on the Eagles side, the Patriots don't have a chance.

You are obviously too much of a fan to see things clearly. I gave the Pats defense their deserved due. I also pointed out two of several pivotal plays in which 'poor execution' was the cause of the negative outcome. I did not say NE doesn't disrupt, because they do, but they are not the cause of everything that goes on in a game.

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they are not the cause of everything that goes on in a game.

Of course they aren't. But they - and not the poor performance of opponents - ARE the cause of the outcome of the game.

Sure, every team has plays on which they don't execute. But to claim that the outcome of the games are driven by poor execution of the Pats opponents - rather than the inability to properly execute based on what NE does - shortchanges both the Pats and their opponents at the same time.

Kohlberg wrote:

Of course they aren't. But they - and not the poor performance of opponents - ARE the cause of the outcome of the game.

Sure, every team has plays on which they don't execute. But to claim that the outcome of the games are driven by poor execution of the Pats opponents - rather than the inability to properly execute based on what NE does - shortchanges both the Pats and their opponents at the same time.

Now that was well-written, and indisputable. I don't think I was making the assumption from your second paragraph, but stand corrected if you felt I was. Possibly, that was directed at someone else.

Kohlberg said-

Having a rookie quarterback and a marginal secondary did not make the Steelers "ripe for the picking" for the Eagles when they met earlier in the season. (Nor for the Pats the week before for that matter). Why couldn't Philly pick them off then. I'm sorry, but to say a 16-1 team, or a team featuring the most productive offence in recent history is "ripe for the picking" is monday morning quarterbacking at it's best. If those teams are "ripe for the picking", that makes Philly - with a mediocre ground game and shaky performances all season - about to fall off the tree.

Being a rookie quarterback in week 7 and 8 is a lot different then being a rookie qb during the playoffs. Not to make excuses but if the Eagles would have had Jeremiah Trotter and a 100 percent Westbrook that Steelers game would have been very different. Also, as runners we know thats its not about what you do at the beginning of a season but at the end. You might run 4:15 for the mile at the begining and another guy runs 4:20 but at the end of the season the 4:20 guy is starting to really peaks and runs a 4:08 while the 4:15 guy only runs a 4:11. The Eagles are running a sub 4 even with a painful shin splint(TO's injury) and if the Red Sox's can win the World Series the Eagles can sure as hell win the Super Bowl. Giving New England fans a taste of their own medicine. Go Eagles!

Eagles 27

Patriots 17

Kohlberg wrote:

That's the thing about the Patriots. It always seems like their opponents play their worst possible game against them. So, people always say "Well, Manning played like crap...if he had played well, the Colts would have won." Or.."Roethlisberger threw 3 pics...no wonder the Steelers lost".

That's what a great linebacking crew will do for a team.

Eagles: 27

Pats: 20

Ditka: 119

Pats 49 - Birds 7

In Bill we trust.

Mr. Vincent Brown wrote:

In Bill we trust.

Amen.