Elders of LRC: Does a 9-5 work day still exist?

37.5 hr week, government employee. 730-4. I dont know anyone that comes in as late as 9 mostly due to traffic.

My friends make fun of me for having such hours, but honestly they don't pay if I work extra. Even if I wanted to work extra to knock out a project it would take people 4 levels above me to sign off on it.

brorunner wrote:

what you are describing is just being the owner of the business/boss.

Plenty of people making 200K+ a year still have to clock in and out for lunch and be to work on time.

grow the f up

Having "shifts" or clocking in and out is for employees who need to be treated like children. You don't need to be an owner or boss to take some personal responsibility and pride in your work.

Star wrote:

Nutella1 wrote:

That's 37.5h per week. You can get by with this, but you won't get any promotion.

There is an inherent problem with this assertion.

Many people view working more hours as working harder.

But often it means you are inefficient at your job if you work more hours.

So why give the promotion to the less efficient worker? Because of optics of how impressive it looks to work longer?

It doesn't mean that. People that work longer get more done

having shifts simply implies there needs to be someone on duty at all times.

and it's scheduled for organization...

a doctor can't just leave when he feels like it, nor can an air traffic controller.

you're dumb, end of story.

TAA wrote:

It doesn't mean that. People that work longer get more done

Simply not true. I spent a lot of time automating my job to the point where I only really "work" about 3-4 hours per week. The other 37 are spent doing mostly nothing.

It's not my fault everyone else was too dumb to figure this out and actually spent 40+ hours a week doing the work.

Worker smarter, not harder.

Tinfoil Hat wrote:

TAA wrote:

It doesn't mean that. People that work longer get more done

Simply not true. I spent a lot of time automating my job to the point where I only really "work" about 3-4 hours per week. The other 37 are spent doing mostly nothing.

It's not my fault everyone else was too dumb to figure this out and actually spent 40+ hours a week doing the work.

Worker smarter, not harder.

It's not either or. Well, I guess it is for you. But the very best out there work smart AND hard. And they make way more money than you do.

Ernie anders wrote:

The 8 hour workday never existed for the most successful among us, only for the average person who is content with a life mediocrity.

Seriously--name one person with an interesting and high-status career who has a shift start and shift end time. Mr. President: what time do you have to be in at work by? Tim Cook: does Apple give you a 30 min lunch or did your union get you an hour? Ludicrous.

Me.

Sub-14, hot wife, $250k/year, works 10-3.

updated average lrc guy wrote:

Sub-14, hot wife, $250k/year, works 10-3.

Awww damn, you are a better person than me. You have won. I am terrible at things! Please help me.

Ernie anders wrote:

Tinfoil Hat wrote:

Simply not true. I spent a lot of time automating my job to the point where I only really "work" about 3-4 hours per week. The other 37 are spent doing mostly nothing.

It's not my fault everyone else was too dumb to figure this out and actually spent 40+ hours a week doing the work.

Worker smarter, not harder.

It's not either or. Well, I guess it is for you. But the very best out there work smart AND hard. And they make way more money than you do.

I have little doubt that there are scads of people out there working 80 hour work weeks making more money than me. Per hour worked, I do better, perhaps. But that wasn't the point. The comment above was "people that work longer get more done" which just isn't the case. I can get more done in 2 hours than other people at my company get done in 8. Some people are just way more efficient and effective.

I work 9:15am-4:15pm probably 80% of the year. Some dudes still make 9-5 a reality, but it's a concept of "hard work."

Tinfoil Hat wrote:

Ernie anders wrote:

It's not either or. Well, I guess it is for you. But the very best out there work smart AND hard. And they make way more money than you do.

I have little doubt that there are scads of people out there working 80 hour work weeks making more money than me. Per hour worked, I do better, perhaps. But that wasn't the point. The comment above was "people that work longer get more done" which just isn't the case. I can get more done in 2 hours than other people at my company get done in 8. Some people are just way more efficient and effective.

What does that say about you that you work somewhere that hires such bad employees?

There are people out there who work twice and much as you and produce more than twice as much per hour. Unless, of course, you are Tim Cook.

Tinfoil Hat wrote:

TAA wrote:

It doesn't mean that. People that work longer get more done

Simply not true. I spent a lot of time automating my job to the point where I only really "work" about 3-4 hours per week. The other 37 are spent doing mostly nothing.

It's not my fault everyone else was too dumb to figure this out and actually spent 40+ hours a week doing the work.

Worker smarter, not harder.

And in that time you could have done more, which is what most people do when they work longer.

TAA wrote:

Tinfoil Hat wrote:

Simply not true. I spent a lot of time automating my job to the point where I only really "work" about 3-4 hours per week. The other 37 are spent doing mostly nothing.

It's not my fault everyone else was too dumb to figure this out and actually spent 40+ hours a week doing the work.

Worker smarter, not harder.

And in that time you could have done more, which is what most people do when they work longer.

Exactly. Doing nothing 37 hours a week does not sound smart.

Ernie anders wrote:

The 8 hour workday never existed for the most successful among us, only for the average person who is content with a life mediocrity.

Don't worry; we'll have them add "upper middle management at company no one's ever heard of" on your tombstone.

All that truly should matter is what you produce, not how many hours you work.

Let's say your job was to assemble bikes.

One person assembles 40 bikes in 50 hours.

Another person assembles 40 bikes in 30 hours.

Should the first person get paid overtime, and therefore get paid more than the second?

Who should get a promotion?

You cannot measure value in hours worked.

Star wrote:

All that truly should matter is what you produce, not how many hours you work.

Let's say your job was to assemble bikes.

One person assembles 40 bikes in 50 hours.

Another person assembles 40 bikes in 30 hours.

Should the first person get paid overtime, and therefore get paid more than the second?

Who should get a promotion?

You cannot measure value in hours worked.

Absolutely. But I think it is hilarious that some people on here think everyone who works long hours is not also working smart. Sure, there are definitely people who work a lot without producing much. But this does not also mean that there is not a guy assembling 80 bikes in 80 hours.

And that guy will destroy the other two guys in the marketplace.

Ernie anders wrote:

brorunner wrote:

what you are describing is just being the owner of the business/boss.

Plenty of people making 200K+ a year still have to clock in and out for lunch and be to work on time.

grow the f up

Having "shifts" or clocking in and out is for employees who need to be treated like children. You don't need to be an owner or boss to take some personal responsibility and pride in your work.

Some companies strictly forbid employees from doing what you advocate to avoid paying them overtime.

sad lives of great comfort wrote:

Ernie anders wrote:

The 8 hour workday never existed for the most successful among us, only for the average person who is content with a life mediocrity.

Don't worry; we'll have them add "upper middle management at company no one's ever heard of" on your tombstone.

HA! Yes! Let's work 60hrs a week to be the sub-manager at a telemarketing company. Sure brings joy.

When you get out of work at 7pm, meet me at my place because I will be chilling on my deck with my dog drinking a beer.