Nick Willis ran 11.11 100m PB!!! (with a rolling start)

cares about indoor wrote:

Metric Miler wrote:

Also, Bolts best known flying start 100m is 8.5, his best 100m 9.58. For me, that is proof enough that Nick would struggle to break 12.

That's because you don't know anything about proof or logic. When did Bolt run that flying 8.5? The rest of your post was mostly OK until you got here.

Relay split, 8.7x.

Actually PJV says 8.67-8.69.

NW is probably around sub-12 or 12 flat FAT from blocks.

0bi wrote:

NW is probably around sub-12 or 12 flat FAT from blocks.

NW can't begin to touch sub 12.

12.5 MAYBE.

12.high-13 more likely.

at the end of the day, does it really matter what any of these guys can do for a 100m? All top end milers might be able to run about 48.5 +/- a second. What really matters is if they can kick.

Also, presuming they can run 48.5 thats already 12.1. You figure that with a running start, thats worth 0.3 seconds and then altitude worth 0.2 seconds. Even conservatively I think this gives willis an 11.5.

Big whoop.

How can you say these guys can't touch 12.5? He can run 38 at the end of a workout.

Anyone who can run sub-48 from the blocks, as Willis has, is capable of threatening 11.0 from the blocks.

cares about indoor wrote:

Metric Miler wrote:

Also, Bolts best known flying start 100m is 8.5, his best 100m 9.58. For me, that is proof enough that Nick would struggle to break 12.

That's because you don't know anything about proof or logic. When did Bolt run that flying 8.5? The rest of your post was mostly OK until you got here.

Rude, I think I demonstrated more proof and logic in my post than you have in this thread.

OK he ran 8.65 relay split in 2015 along with a 9.79 100m. That is 8.65 with up to 10m accelerating previously; a flying start. So I'd say assuming Nick cannot start from the blocks like Usain, he will be hard pressed to run only 1 second slower in a flat 100m than his 11.1 if he was travelling through the start line at the same percentage of his top speed as Bolt was.

Usain was probably going at 2/3rds his top speed at 0m, based on his 10m splits from a previous run of his. Nick probably was not going 2/3rds his top speed at 0m, maybe only half or less, so there is where his extra time may 'come from' and allow him to break 12. But he will not be miles quicker than 12s.

I think we have enough estimations (from his 400m/800m time, based on top sprinters starting time from blocks and now compared to Bolts flying 100m) to say Nick will be more like 12+-0.2 than 11.5 or 12.5+

It would be nice if you would now offer your proof and logic.

Going2thebathroom wrote:

Anyone who can run sub-48 from the blocks, as Willis has, is capable of threatening 11.0 from the blocks.

Wrong on both counts

Willis Wheels wrote:

at the end of the day, does it really matter what any of these guys can do for a 100m? All top end milers might be able to run about 48.5 +/- a second. What really matters is if they can kick.

Also, presuming they can run 48.5 thats already 12.1. You figure that with a running start, thats worth 0.3 seconds and then altitude worth 0.2 seconds. Even conservatively I think this gives willis an 11.5.

Big whoop.

How can you say these guys can't touch 12.5? He can run 38 at the end of a workout.

hhhmmmm .. well, we can start with the fact that I did NOT say "these guys can't touch 12.5". Why on earth would you suggest I did?

What I said was Willis can't touch sub 12. And he might touch 12.5 MAYBE.

Your first sentence, on the other hand, makes sense. It doesn't really matter.

Ok, so that 8.65 goes with 9.79 fitness NOT 9.58 fitness. Now, your post is good.

larkimm wrote:

Funny isn't it. If you'd said to me that Bolt could hit 13s per 100m 8 times consecutively I'd have said of course he could. But when that becomes a 1:44 800m it suddenly seems so much less plausible!

I wonder what Bolt "running" 13s for 100m would look like?

Something like the last 100 of this race:

Ben L Wrong wrote:

Interesting. 11.2x ability? (from the blocks, in peak form, during the summer)

Nick Willis ‏@nickwillis 2 min

Altitude benefits more than just your endurance. I just shocked myself with a rolling start 100m PB - 11.11s

Traditional definition of a rolling start is the runner rises from the marks position in the blocks, does not stop and remain stable in the set position, but uses his momentum to aid the start. I will not speculate on how NW defines 'rolling start' nor how his run was timed.

A flying start is what you get when running a relay. You are already moving when you enter the portion being timed and the term flying start is the reason the 20meter acceleration area before the mid point of the zone is colloquially called "the fly zone" in the 4x100m relay.

Plus I agree with the poster that said someone who runs a FAT 400 from the blocks in 48.00 should be able to running at minimum a 11.10 FAT 100.

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what is so unfathomable that an elite miler can't break 12?

Mo Farah just ran 12.98 from block.

When has he run that? I doubt he could break 49 or even 50, let alone sub-48.

wineturtle wrote:

Plus I agree with the poster that said someone who runs a FAT 400 from the blocks in 48.00 should be able to running at minimum a 11.10 FAT 100.

Many results say otherwise

Also everyone in this day and age knows a rolling start is a running start, and if it was his best ever, it was obviously a fast one.

Did he look relaxed?

Was he wearing trainers?

Wow, thanks. You've made my day.

Restore my butt.. wrote:

what is so unfathomable that an elite miler can't break 12?

Mo Farah just ran 12.98 from block.

True enough. And Mo has twice run a second more faster than the elite miler's 1500m PR.

What makes you think Nick could beat Mo by a second over 100m, yet a second behind over 1500m?