Explosive allegation! Swedish paper says Jos Hermens was employing a doctor who wants to legalize EPO

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house of cards?

3 years ago 03/04/2016 9:32pm CST

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You've got to read this. If Hermens is dirty, then the sport could have a huge problem.

https://goo.gl/MVg8WA

Can a Swedish speaker help us get a totally acurate translation? Here is what my translation says:

"(Aregawi's) Dutch management company Global Sports Communications showed a little more humanity, but behaved strangely at the same time. Very quickly they began to spread the story of a doctor from the Ukraine has been seen in Addis Ababa. They had no name and they had no proof - but they wanted the focus would be on that doctor, that he could be the culprit.

"Why? Perhaps because they have the doctor Pieter Vergouwen in his stable.
He treated recently Abeba Aregawi and has a least dubious background. Previously, he worked with several active as caught for doping and Vergouwen himself has talked openly about that we should legalize the EPO."
Huh??

3 years ago 03/04/2016 9:37pm CST
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What's the "explosive" part?
Impartial Observer

3 years ago 03/04/2016 9:59pm CST
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EPO stands for "Explosive Personal Ordinance".

He wants to turn Ethiopian runners into suicide bombers.
i'll state the obvious

3 years ago 03/04/2016 10:45pm CST
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Huh?? wrote:

What's the "explosive" part?

The fact that Hermens - who was an agent to Bekele and Geb - may have been employing a dude who is into PEDs is pretty big.
locksley

3 years ago 03/04/2016 10:46pm CST
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That's Great! Keep us updated!
Reality Alert

3 years ago 03/04/2016 11:54pm CST
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There's some doubt in your mind that Hermens is dirty? The sport either does have a huge problem or doesn't have a problem at all depending on your perspective. A small minority of medalists are clean so the playing field is pretty level for them. No real problem. If people want to go digging for skeletons, they are going to find them and just like BALCO when one goes he just might turn someone else in and it will be a house of cards, big problem.

longjack

3 years ago 03/05/2016 12:47am CST
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hermans, = blood doping, cycling tricks, since the mid late 1970's.

duh.
pop_pop!_v2.2.1

3 years ago 03/05/2016 12:50am CST
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Reality Alert wrote:
A small minority of medalists are clean so the playing field is pretty level for them. No real problem.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but, it's a problem. It means the federation is okay with doping.
EPOLUTION

3 years ago 03/05/2016 1:12am CST
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http://www.independent.ie/sport/dutch-docs-want-epo-legalised-26176678.html

That was 1998 and almost 16 years later the same doctor still working for the top agent Jos Hermans. Since he gets paid from the proceeds from races and the more the winners in the staple the more money for him and his employer, I guarantee this guy dopes athletes with or without their permission. He is just like Alberto SAlazar but worse than Alberto because he is a medical doctor. And guess who his clients include? Kenenisa Bekele, Haile GebrSilassie among other top stars.

house of cards? wrote:

You've got to read this. If Hermens is dirty, then the sport could have a huge problem.

https://goo.gl/MVg8WA

Can a Swedish speaker help us get a totally acurate translation? Here is what my translation says:

"(Aregawi's) Dutch management company Global Sports Communications showed a little more humanity, but behaved strangely at the same time. Very quickly they began to spread the story of a doctor from the Ukraine has been seen in Addis Ababa. They had no name and they had no proof - but they wanted the focus would be on that doctor, that he could be the culprit.

"Why? Perhaps because they have the doctor Pieter Vergouwen in his stable.
He treated recently Abeba Aregawi and has a least dubious background. Previously, he worked with several active as caught for doping and Vergouwen himself has talked openly about that we should legalize the EPO."
Asker of questions2

3 years ago 03/05/2016 2:58am CST
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EPOLUTION wrote:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/dutch-docs-want-epo-legalised-26176678.html

That was 1998 and almost 16 years later the same doctor still working for the top agent Jos Hermans. Since he gets paid from the proceeds from races and the more the winners in the staple the more money for him and his employer, I guarantee this guy dopes athletes with or without their permission. He is just like Alberto SAlazar but worse than Alberto because he is a medical doctor. And guess who his clients include? Kenenisa Bekele, Haile GebrSilassie among other top stars.

house of cards? wrote:

You've got to read this. If Hermens is dirty, then the sport could have a huge problem.

https://goo.gl/MVg8WA

Can a Swedish speaker help us get a totally acurate translation? Here is what my translation says:

"(Aregawi's) Dutch management company Global Sports Communications showed a little more humanity, but behaved strangely at the same time. Very quickly they began to spread the story of a doctor from the Ukraine has been seen in Addis Ababa. They had no name and they had no proof - but they wanted the focus would be on that doctor, that he could be the culprit.

"Why? Perhaps because they have the doctor Pieter Vergouwen in his stable.
He treated recently Abeba Aregawi and has a least dubious background. Previously, he worked with several active as caught for doping and Vergouwen himself has talked openly about that we should legalize the EPO."

Why would he dope someone without telling them? THE MAIN PERFORMANCE ENHANCER WHEN YOU TAKE PEDS IS PSYCHOLOGICAL, KNOWING THAT YOU CAN DO MORE OR RUN FASTER THAN YOU USED TO
aduck2002

3 years ago 03/05/2016 3:15am CST
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tats where boys got cera
why was'nt cera tested for pre 2008 in athletics,
and how did they know when test came in
dirty
Peter Andersson

3 years ago 03/05/2016 3:32am CST
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Just because one wants to legalize EPO doesn't mean one uses EPO.

I bet a lot of guys here wanted to loose their virginity long before they actually did - and some probably haven't yet!

*Burn*

Swede..

3 years ago 03/05/2016 4:14am CST
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house of cards? wrote:

You've got to read this. If Hermens is dirty, then the sport could have a huge problem.

https://goo.gl/MVg8WA

Can a Swedish speaker help us get a totally acurate translation? Here is what my translation says:

"(Aregawi's) Dutch management company Global Sports Communications showed a little more humanity, but behaved strangely at the same time. Very quickly they began to spread the story of a doctor from the Ukraine who had been seen in Addis Ababa. They had no name and they had no proof - but they wanted the focus would be on that doctor, that he could be the culprit.

"Why? Perhaps because they have the doctor Pieter Vergouwen in their stable.
He recently treated Abeba Aregawi and has a dubious background, to say the least. Previously, he worked with several actives who have been caught for doping and Vergouwen himself has talked openly about that we should legalize EPO."

A few minor corrections.
what is a manager?

3 years ago 03/05/2016 4:14am CST
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Hermens is a manager and agent. Does anyone know how close he is to the coaching of the athletes he represents? I assume Hermans would look after the commercial aspects but if an athlete signs with him, for instance, would he dictate who is coaching and looking after the medical needs of that athlete?
Life coach

3 years ago 03/05/2016 4:58am CST
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what is a manager? wrote:

Hermens is a manager and agent. Does anyone know how close he is to the coaching of the athletes he represents? I assume Hermans would look after the commercial aspects but if an athlete signs with him, for instance, would he dictate who is coaching and looking after the medical needs of that athlete?

It depends on the situation and the individual
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3 years ago 03/05/2016 4:59am CST
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If you watched Bekele's marathon debut in Paris, Hermens sure seemed to be pretty involved.
EPOLUTION

3 years ago 03/05/2016 5:58am CST
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Asker of questions2 wrote:
Why would he dope someone without telling them? THE MAIN PERFORMANCE ENHANCER WHEN YOU TAKE PEDS IS PSYCHOLOGICAL, KNOWING THAT YOU CAN DO MORE OR RUN FASTER THAN YOU USED TO

You are completely wrong. Are you insinuating that if someone gives me a drink just before a marathon race and tells me it is EPO, that I can then be able to run 2:03 or 2:02? That may fall on the superstitious side but still it won't happen I promise you. Go and try it.
On the other hand if an athlete is sabotaged and unknowingly takes EPO or any other performance enhancement drug, he or she will perform well beyond where he would have drugs without the drugs. Many third world athletes do not know everything out there and an agent might just give them some tablet for headache or a cough.
if???????????????

3 years ago 03/05/2016 6:09am CST
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if ???? lol
jjjjj

3 years ago 03/05/2016 8:57am CST
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During Bekele's 12:37, Hermens was on the side of the track yelling splits at him and coaching him. That Hermens is involved in doping his athletes would not surprise me at all. His athletes perform beyond what were the limits of very hard training athletes for decades of the modern sport.
Nothing to see here

3 years ago 03/05/2016 8:59am CST
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This reads like a non story backed up by other non stories.
Poor journalism at it's finest.