chloe wrote:
Used to be Rono wrote:A previous poster suggested opening Boston Marathon registration on December 15th, which would accommodate all BQs achieved in fall races and CIM too.
What are you going to do when CIM moves the race to after 12/15?
What information do you possess that indicates that's likely to happen? CIM is historically held the first week in December, and this year's date is set for 12/4/16.
Used to be Rono wrote:
chloe wrote:What are you going to do when CIM moves the race to after 12/15?
What information do you possess that indicates that's likely to happen? CIM is historically held the first week in December, and this year's date is set for 12/4/16.
Maybe they would feel like one of the marathons the BAA is 'screwing' over. Lol
Used to be Rono wrote:
chloe wrote:This doesn't stop 43 year olds from running a 45-49 BQ at CIM.
A previous poster suggested opening Boston Marathon registration on December 15th, which would accommodate all BQs achieved in fall races and CIM too.
You can already qualify for Boston by running a fall marathon. I qualified at NYC.
Linda Jacobs wrote:
Used to be Rono wrote:A previous poster suggested opening Boston Marathon registration on December 15th, which would accommodate all BQs achieved in fall races and CIM too.
You can already qualify for Boston by running a fall marathon. I qualified at NYC.
The point is, for which year? A BQ @ NYC 2015 currently gets you into the 2017 Boston Marathon, not the 2016 race.
Mr. Poe wrote:
Linda Jacobs wrote:You can already qualify for Boston by running a fall marathon. I qualified at NYC.
The point is, for which year? A BQ @ NYC 2015 currently gets you into the 2017 Boston Marathon, not the 2016 race.
Why does it matter? A BQ is a BQ. Runners are going to qualify at fall marathons regardless of when registration opens..
Linda Jacobs wrote:
Mr. Poe wrote:The point is, for which year? A BQ @ NYC 2015 currently gets you into the 2017 Boston Marathon, not the 2016 race.
Why does it matter? A BQ is a BQ. Runners are going to qualify at fall marathons regardless of when registration opens..
Historically, registration for Boston closed in March, not September. That's a rather recent thing.
Here's one example of why it matters. Suppose weather conditions suck on Patriots Day. This happened in 2012 due to extreme heat and last year due to chilly headwinds. Chances are pretty good you will not renew your BQ that day, and that means you now have to run another marathon to get back in. Up until a few years ago you could do that @ Marine Corps, NYC, Chicago, Twin Cities, Philly, CIM. Not anymore. So count me among those who want to know why the BAA thinks that's a smart move.
Mr. Poe wrote:
Linda Jacobs wrote:Why does it matter? A BQ is a BQ. Runners are going to qualify at fall marathons regardless of when registration opens..
Historically, registration for Boston closed in March, not September. That's a rather recent thing.
Here's one example of why it matters. Suppose weather conditions suck on Patriots Day. This happened in 2012 due to extreme heat and last year due to chilly headwinds. Chances are pretty good you will not renew your BQ that day, and that means you now have to run another marathon to get back in. Up until a few years ago you could do that @ Marine Corps, NYC, Chicago, Twin Cities, Philly, CIM. Not anymore. So count me among those who want to know why the BAA thinks that's a smart move.
Why can't you just try for your BQ at a fall marathon the previous year? Too hot at Boston 2012? Run 2011 NYC to reduce risk.
You also used to be able to qualify for two Boston's with one race. That has changed as well. Do you want that back too?
Suck it up, Poe. Sometimes life is just not fair.
Linda Jacobs wrote:
Why can't you just try for your BQ at a fall marathon the previous year? Too hot at Boston 2012? Run 2011 NYC to reduce risk.
Holy crap, you're a colossal moron.
So you geniuses want to give fall marathoners TWO chances to qualify for Boston?
smithers brother wrote:
So you geniuses want to give fall marathoners TWO chances to qualify for Boston?
That modification has never been mentioned by anyone on this thread.
The Troll Hunter wrote:
smithers brother wrote:So you geniuses want to give fall marathoners TWO chances to qualify for Boston?
That modification has never been mentioned by anyone on this thread.
How do you propose to move it from Sept to Dec without allowing double dipping?
smithers brother wrote:
The Troll Hunter wrote:That modification has never been mentioned by anyone on this thread.
How do you propose to move it from Sept to Dec without allowing double dipping?
Under the existing September registration, if I'd run Twin Cities last October I'm eligible for Boston 2017 only. Under a December registration, If I run Twin Cities next October I'm also eligible for Boston 2017 only.
The Troll Hunter wrote:
smithers brother wrote:How do you propose to move it from Sept to Dec without allowing double dipping?
Under the existing September registration, if I'd run Twin Cities last October I'm eligible for Boston 2017 only. Under a December registration, If I run Twin Cities next October I'm also eligible for Boston 2017 only.
If they move registration for Boston 2017 from 9/16 to 12/16, one could run TC in 2016 or 2017 and qualify. The ole double dip.
dwash59 wrote:
Since Boston used to fill up in January, I see no reason not to wait to open registration until December 15 and fill up in 2 minutes then instead of filling up in 2 minutes in September.
Average_Joe wrote:
The reason is that they are trying to limit the field of qualified applicants. Part of that was lowering the standards somewhat. But they still have far too many. So they move the reg date to before all the fall marathons. Fewer people to deal with. Problem solved.
simple, really wrote:This would change nothing. The qualifying window is one year, regardless if registration is in September or December. Makes no difference.
On the contrary, it changes everything. It would increase the qualifying window to closer to what it used to be. They always had the qualifying window start 18 months before the race, just as it does now. But they used to allow registration to go as late as February for a Boston in the same year.
Now that they've moved registration for, say, the 2017 Boston to open and close weeks before most of the 2016 fall marathons, you've eliminated them. They can only be used to qualify for one Boston (2018) not two (2017 and 2018) as they would have before.
The BAA wanted to cut down on the number of qualified applicants so they just moved the registration date up.
smithers brother wrote:
The Troll Hunter wrote:Under the existing September registration, if I'd run Twin Cities last October I'm eligible for Boston 2017 only. Under a December registration, If I run Twin Cities next October I'm also eligible for Boston 2017 only.
If they move registration for Boston 2017 from 9/16 to 12/16, one could run TC in 2016 or 2017 and qualify. The ole double dip.
Please explain how running the Twin Cities Marathon in October 2017 will qualify someone for Boston 2017.
The Troll Hunter wrote:
smithers brother wrote:If they move registration for Boston 2017 from 9/16 to 12/16, one could run TC in 2016 or 2017 and qualify. The ole double dip.
Please explain how running the Twin Cities Marathon in October 2017 will qualify someone for Boston 2017.
Holy typo, Batman!
TC in 2015 and 2016.
Average_Joe wrote:
dwash59 wrote:Since Boston used to fill up in January, I see no reason not to wait to open registration until December 15 and fill up in 2 minutes then instead of filling up in 2 minutes in September.
Average_Joe wrote:
The reason is that they are trying to limit the field of qualified applicants. Part of that was lowering the standards somewhat. But they still have far too many. So they move the reg date to before all the fall marathons. Fewer people to deal with. Problem solved.
simple, really wrote:This would change nothing. The qualifying window is one year, regardless if registration is in September or December. Makes no difference.
On the contrary, it changes everything. It would increase the qualifying window to closer to what it used to be. They always had the qualifying window start 18 months before the race, just as it does now. But they used to allow registration to go as late as February for a Boston in the same year.
Now that they've moved registration for, say, the 2017 Boston to open and close weeks before most of the 2016 fall marathons, you've eliminated them. They can only be used to qualify for one Boston (2018) not two (2017 and 2018) as they would have before.
The BAA wanted to cut down on the number of qualified applicants so they just moved the registration date up.
Why not close qualifying a week before the race? Why should I not be able to run Boston if I ran a qualifying race the first week of April?
Leave it where it is. It makes the most most sense.
Wasted 5 minutes of my life reading this.
I fully expect a lowering of the standards by 5mins across the board, esp if it closes like it did this year. I would like to see some tightening up of the AGs over 40, but let's be honest that is the target demographic for the race, so they can't make it too hard.
Loofa Dog wrote:
I fully expect a lowering of the standards by 5mins across the board, esp if it closes like it did this year. I would like to see some tightening up of the AGs over 40, but let's be honest that is the target demographic for the race, so they can't make it too hard.
why would you expect such thing? there is zero indication of such. the BAA can make the standard tougher by a lot and still fill the race with charity runners.