Mo Farah's 800m ability

Why on earth would a guy like Kamworor want to "test his kick" against someone with "1:46" speed?

Kam hasn't ever shown anything like that kind of kick; it'd be pointless to test his kick against the best middle distance kicker in the world. He already KNEW he's never going to outkick Mo.

So Ventolin I assume Mo can easily beat the world indoor record in the upcoming indoor 3,000m

'Kamwo needed his boys to charge out to 8k in ~ 26'40 pace in peking & that wouda probably wouda dropped mo, but all they offered was pathetic 27++ pace at 8k'

How would that drop Mo when you said he was capable of a WR.

wtfunny wrote:Why on earth would a guy like Kamworor want to "test his kick" against someone with "1:46" speed?

because that is what he said in media after

go fetch

work out logic

Kam hasn't ever shown anything like that kind of kick

nonsense

he is biggest kicker of current kenyan 10k guys

the ethiopians weren't even close in peking

it'd be pointless to test his kick against the best middle distance kicker in the world

no

not if he believed mo was finished in '15 & deteriorating badly

he was wrong, mo was likely even improving

He already KNEW he's never going to outkick Mo

no

each year brings more ageing to an already near-ancient mo

Kamwo thought eugene-'15 & perhaps by peking

it looks more likely now from mo's admission at indoor race '16

ukathleticscoach wrote:'Kamwo needed his boys to charge out to 8k in ~ 26'40 pace in peking & that wouda probably wouda dropped mo, but all they offered was pathetic 27++ pace at 8k'

How would that drop Mo when you said he was capable of a WR

clueless

i said Kamwo was wr shape not his boyz, but they woudn't help enough

the boyz were probably in 26'20 / 26'30 shape & wanted to also think about win, so not killed themselves enough to 8k for Kamwo who was likely in 26'05 / 26'15 shape if 1-off tt in 0 wind, 70F zurich

Kamwo in peking was in flat-out shape as good if not better than geb or kennster & mo crushed him on last lap

get a clue !

ventolin^3 wrote:

ukathleticscoach wrote:'Kamwo needed his boys to charge out to 8k in ~ 26'40 pace in peking & that wouda probably wouda dropped mo, but all they offered was pathetic 27++ pace at 8k'

How would that drop Mo when you said he was capable of a WR

clueless

i said Kamwo was wr shape not his boyz, but they woudn't help enough

the boyz were probably in 26'20 / 26'30 shape & wanted to also think about win, so not killed themselves enough to 8k for Kamwo who was likely in 26'05 / 26'15 shape if 1-off tt in 0 wind, 70F zurich

Kamwo in peking was in flat-out shape as good if not better than geb or kennster & mo crushed him on last lap

get a clue !

You have not answered my question if Mo is capable of a WR (as you have stated) how is a pace of 26:40 going to drop him

What do you estimate Mo Farah's best simultaneous 1500m and 5000m capabilities were?

I estimate 3:28 and 12:40

ventolin^3 wrote:

i said Kamwo was wr shape not his boyz, but they woudn't help enough

the boyz were probably in 26'20 / 26'30 shape & wanted to also think about win, so not killed themselves enough to 8k for Kamwo who was likely in 26'05 / 26'15 shape if 1-off tt in 0 wind, 70F zurich

You're delusional.

you really need to lay off the alcohol. No more drunk posting...

So you believe Kamworor had good reason to think he could outkick Mo.

And that Kamworor was in 26:0-ish shape.

Mo ran sub 3:29 and you think he'd run what, 48-high, low 49 400m?

So you're saying Kam has to be in sub7:20 shape, sub 3:29 and likely sub 12:37? Because that would surprise an awful lot of people.

Mo had just broken Bekele's 2m indoor record. And Kam thought he was going to outkick Mo?

Kam might not be super smart, I have no idea. But I can't imagine he's that stupid

In answer to the original question, using the formula I have come up with then the 800m ability of Mo Farah is as follows:

3:28.8 and 12:53 -> 1:44.3

3:28.8 and 12:50 -> 1:44.5

3:28.8 and 12:45 -> 1:44.9

3:28.8 and 12:40 -> 1:45.3

Assuming he could go a bit faster over 1500m:

3:28.5 and 12:50 -> 1:44.3

3:28.5 and 12:45 -> 1:44.7

3:28.5 and 12:40 -> 1:45.1

I personally think the last one is the most likely.

1:44 easy.

he'd run about a 1.45,at a guess.

You need your eyes tested.

Farah starts off in one of the outer lanes in Monaco 15. That's why he is in lane 4 down the first back straight. Running straight into lane 1 would create extra distance and probably result in him falling. He moves in gradually over first 100, thus running least 'extra distance' possible. In that first straight he runs 80-90m behind other athletes, thus getting drafting.

On first bend he moves wide in lane 1 briefly, but by 21sec (150m) he is on inside of lane 1 and a couple of metres behind Kiprop. He stays close to Asbel until they enter the straight, when Kiprop pulls a few more metres clear. Farah gets about 50-60m drafting on that bend.

Farah gets 100m of drafting on last bend.

Total amount of drafting received = 230 - 250m

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioedlmVbVJY

In Coe's race mentioned, he is in front for first 100m on inside. Thus no drafting.

The rabbit moves past him at 100m but clearly stays somewhat wide of inside of lane 1 for part of that first bend.

By the time they enter the straight, the pacer moves wide again and runs entire straight on line with lane 2. That's 1.22m wide of kerb. Coe runs in middle of lane. Thus the rabbit is 60cm wide for 100m, offering little if any drafting. Research has shown that an athlete 40cm wide of the runner directly in front gets little drafting, and at 70cm wide the athlete behind gets no drafting benefit at all.

And by 200m into the race the rabbit is 4m+ ahead anyway, so drafting is pretty much non existant.

Coe gets no more than 110m of full drafting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp-W7B483K8&t=56s

You said that Farah's first 400m in 54.9 was too fast for someone wanting to run 3:27, which is a strange claim considering 3:27 flat is 55.2 sec laps.

Your caveat to that is that with no drafting it would have 'felt 1 sec faster' .

So I guess your saying that his 54.9 with 130m of drafting on that first lap would have felt like 53.9.

Therefore if someone ran a 52.4 first 400m with even less drafting, say 110m, then surely that would have felt the same as 51.4 at the slowest!

Which do you think is going to tire an athlete and have a more detrimental affect over the duration of the race? A 53.9, which is 3:22 pace for 1500m, or a 51.4, 3:12 pace for 1500m?

Added to that, Farah's next 2 laps were around 56.3 & 56.5, pretty even laps don't you think? And he had someone about 10m ahead of him setting a regular rhythm.

Coe's next 2 laps, with no one except a mad rabbit going further and further ahead before reaching 800 in 1:47.4, were 56.7 & 59.2.

Lack of drafting might have cost Farah a second. But his pace was even and he lost no time there. The track is the fastest there is too.

Coe would have lost at least a second through no drafting and probably 3 secs for the most suicidal early pace I've ever seen.