Anyone run a marathon using only high intensity intervals for training?

J.J.Kelley (2:14:33) beat Nick Costes (2:18:01) that day on the 25 mile 1,232 mile course in 1956. The next year Kelley won Boston in 2:20:05 on the full Boston course. There were 140 starters that year.

I ran Boston in 1962 doing only intervals during the week with what I called a long run (15 miles) some weeks. My training partner, Bruce Kidd, ran 13:43.8 for 5 K at age 18 a few weeks later and beat Murray Halberg, reigning Olympic Champion.

Who was the first Canadian under 2:20? Was it Ron Wallingford?

It was Ron Wallingford. He ran 2:19:24 in Ste. Hyacinthe . The meet director was Gerard Cote, who won Boston 4 times. At that time Gordon Dickson had held the Canadian record at 2:21.51 which he ran in Vancouver in 1958.

Ron's run was on September 4, 1966.

The biography of Buddy Edelen, A Cold Clear Day by Frank Murphy, is my all time favorite running book, and includes many excerpts from his training, along with descriptions and photos from his races.

Edelen ran a 2:14:28 world record for the marathon on July 15, 1963, and was coached in an advisory capacity through the mail by Fred Wilt.

I highly recommend this book to anyone who's a serious distance runner.

I believe that Fred Wilt also may have advised Ron Wallingford and Hal Higdon also. I wrote to Wilt and asked him to advise me. He said he was already too busy and that i should contact Ron Wallingford. I did not contact Ron

The next fall I moved to Los Angeles and was coached by Mihaly Igloi.

yeah about that wrote:

The OP (are you the OP?) asked how it worked out for those who tried it. So when one says they tried it, and they say it didn't work, you're going to discard it?

Are you that power running guy again, richard99 of whoever? Sounds like it.

Nooo. Not that guy. I'm intrigued by the idea of a way to do endurance events on high intensity, low volume. It might not be viable.

I don't have all the answers, that's for sure.

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

yeah about that wrote:

The OP (are you the OP?) asked how it worked out for those who tried it. So when one says they tried it, and they say it didn't work, you're going to discard it?

Are you that power running guy again, richard99 of whoever? Sounds like it.

Nooo. Not that guy. I'm intrigued by the idea of a way to do endurance events on high intensity, low volume. It might not be viable.

I don't have all the answers, that's for sure.

Crossfit Endurance -- they have all the answers. No results, alas.

I finished just over 3 hours as a 17 year old a week after high school track season ended. Mile and 2 mile were my events. Longest long run was 10 miles, and did a bunch of 16 x 400 sets-like twice a week-and quite a few 5 to 7 mile tempos..

When was this? And can you recall the 2nd and 3rd Canadians to go under 2:20?

John Farrington is one runner who used high intensity work for marathons. He was said to have run 2 half hour runs per day, one at 5 min pace the other intervals from monday to friday with longer runs on the weekend. He ran 2.11

outside the box wrote:

Crossfit Endurance -- they have all the answers. No results, alas.

I think I'm missing an opportunity to fleece my fellow hobby joggers. I'll call it Paleo running. Because Paleo man ran for something, somewhere, sometime.

I need to get on some of the NOP/Crossfit PEDs and develop an eating disorder so I look ripped. Where's crossfit bro?

Not marathons, but I've successfully trained mid-distance through 5K runners on intervals and time trials only.

outside the box wrote:

Crossfit Endurance -- they have all the answers. No results, alas.

Nice username pun too.

To their credit, even Crossfit seems to have shut up about Crossfit endurance for marathon training. We had that long piece on it in Runners' World a few years ago, people actually tried it, and learned you don't train for a thing by training for a different thing instead.

I spent 5 weeks in bed with severe mono starting in June of 1962. I contacted Wilt in 1963 or 64 and moved to LA by way of the October 1964 Tokyo Olympics.

Doug Scorrar ran 2:20.02 in Kitchener in 1975, Dave Ellis ran 2:19:47 ran 2:19:47 in Boston in 1966 but was he a Canadian yet?, Ron Wallingford ran 2:19:24 in St. Hyacinthe in 1966, Nil Lavallee ran 2:19:15 in Ottawa in 1977. I do not have other times in those years.

2:20:10 Wolf Shamberger 1973

2:20:17 Bruce Shaw 1973

2:20:17 Jerry Tighe 1973

2:28:18 Bruce Kidd 1974

yI always thought "Wolf Shamberger" was a cool name. Andy Boychuk and Bob Moore had to have snuck in there somewhere.

Mopak,

Do you have a idea whatever became of John Farrington? He seems to have vanished after 1973 or 74 but appeared to have been in good form when he did.

We have gotten us off subject. Maybe we should move this to my Facebook page.

I have nothing for John Farrington. He was Australian not Canadian. You can look him up on google. They are putting together the racing history of all races and runners who meet their criteria.

I know Farrington was an Aussie who I believe emigrated from the UK.. Maybe I should have replied to you and to Mopak in separate posts as that part was to him.

Links in here for national records by year and progression if you haven't seen this site before:

http://www.arrs.net/