If Coe Isn't the Best Person to Lead the IAAF, Who Is?

rekrunner wrote:

Yes these aren't necessarily Coe, and in any case, seem weak and indirect.

Yes Diack built up his inner circle, but up until 2011, things were going well, and even in 2011-2012, the problem wasn't fully evident, even for those aware that Russian sanctions were slow.

Seems like "failure to address ... governance issues" is the worst example of the VP council's "negligence".

(Of the many things that got detailed, and reasoned, support, Dick Pound was pretty weak in supporting this opinion that "some of the Council could have not known")

These aren't scandalous issues that should force Coe to step aside, or resign, or for the public to rally and call for immediate resignation. Coe should go for something much more juicy than that -- a Lord deserves better.

Lauren Fleshman said "give him a second chance".

I think she got one part wrong -- give him a FIRST chance.

I think Dick Pound is right to endorse Coe, ("don't blame Coe for the whole council's failure", "the IOC screwed up and were able to fix themselves"), even if it makes him look contradictory. People can correct mistakes of negligence, once they become aware of the issue. Alan Abrahamson also wrote an opinion piece supporting Coe, with some good arguments. Even if Coe's worst crime is that they didn't address governance, he's doing it now -- better late than never. If it's not going well in a year or so, then grade him, and sack him if you must.

Or name someone better.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Yes.

"The IAAF Council could not have been unaware of the extent of doping in athletics and the non-enforcement of applicable anti-doping rules."

"There was an evident lack of political appetite within the IAAF to confront Russia with the full extent of its known and suspected doping activities."

"Failure to have addressed such governance issues is an IAAF failure that cannot be blamed on a small group on miscreants. The opportunity existed for the IAAF to have addressed governance issues. No advantage was taken of that opportunity."

You can say that those quotes to not mention Coe specifically, which they do not. However he was a Senior VP and as such is part and parcel of setting the tone. If he did nothing to address any of these issues then that was wrong. The fact that the rest of the council was also negligent does not exempt Coe from his duty or excuse his failings.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

rekrunner,

This is a curious answer from you. You asked if coe had done anything wrong and I showed you exactly what he had done.

Your response amounts to, "well, yes, but it wasn't that bad and a lot of other people were involved in doing those things too."

It's totally moving the goalposts. Anyway, I posted a bunch of other links about Coe on the conference call thread about how he personally profited from the decisions of the governing bodies that he was on through his sports marketing firm. You should read through those links, if you are genuinely interested in what Coe has done wrong. There is no doubt that Coe is knee deep in shady deal-making and the kind of crony/corrupto-capitalism that is endemic in international sports.

Anyway, there is nobody who is currently on the IAAF council who can credibly claim the leadership. They are all too tainted. They need an outsider.

wejo wrote:

It's over wrote:

The system is broken and can't be fixed. Time to shut it down. There is no one in waiting who would do a better job and that's the problem. Its a corrupt organization through and through. A clear break is the only option.

I'm not letting you get off that easy. If we shut it down and start a new organization, someone needs to lead it. Who?

Vin Lananna wrote:

How about Vin Lananna? Or Bob Hersh?

Bob Hersh was on the old IAAF Council. If Coe must go, so must Hersh as the report out today says the Council should have been aware of the doping problems.

Lananna gets more done than anyone in the US. Some may not want him because he navigated the old IAAF system perfectly and got Eugene the 2021 Worlds outside of the traditional bidding process. If you thrived in the old system, should you lead the new one?

I'm still waiting for names...

(And I thank those supporting my candidacy:) I'm not working for free however! The head person should be paid)

rekrunner wrote:

It's more like "well no, that's not really Coe, but anyway these are not reasons." None of these things are examples of Coe doing something wrong. They are examples of a group of people, not doing something right (with some alleged duty to act). These are all weak statements, with very little support in the report, based on some assumptions, and, it seems to me, a false expectation of the role of the various VPs and Council, and a 20-20 hindsight view about what should have been done to prevent this. You said it was his duty, but, and maybe I'm wrong, I don't think the role of the VPs was as active as that.

But if so, why single out Coe, instead of all of the Council member VPs, if that's who committed negligence? That would at least make more sense. All of the actors who did do bad things are no longer in the IAAF. The only thing now is to reorganize so that more checks and balances prevent another unofficial structure to have such power again.

I don't doubt Coe has some financial structures linked to sports and marketing, but is there something concrete?

Mr. Obvious wrote:

rekrunner,

This is a curious answer from you. You asked if coe had done anything wrong and I showed you exactly what he had done.

Your response amounts to, "well, yes, but it wasn't that bad and a lot of other people were involved in doing those things too."

It's totally moving the goalposts. Anyway, I posted a bunch of other links about Coe on the conference call thread about how he personally profited from the decisions of the governing bodies that he was on through his sports marketing firm. You should read through those links, if you are genuinely interested in what Coe has done wrong. There is no doubt that Coe is knee deep in shady deal-making and the kind of crony/corrupto-capitalism that is endemic in international sports.

Anyway, there is nobody who is currently on the IAAF council who can credibly claim the leadership. They are all too tainted. They need an outsider.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

So you have retreated to the idea that Coe (and the other people on the council) did not have a duty to act when they knew of corruption? This is a position that is totally and completely morally and ethically bankrupt. Of course there is a duty to act. That is the entire duty of a board of directors/council, etc. They are duty bound to act in the best interests of the organization. In the US this is also a legal duty, although I will not pretend to be well-versed enough in Swiss non-profit law to assert that it is a positive legal duty in that system.

Again, the idea that other people on the council knew and did nothing does not excuse the fact that Coe did nothing. None of the current council members has the credibility to lead the organization going forward. They need an outsider.

Anyway, yes there are definitive information about Coe in the links that I have posted. You should read them but I am not going to spoon-feed you (at least not any more than I already have). I feel very confident that you will dismiss or diminish those as well.