Please help me understand how a $15 minimum wage is a good idea.

You dumb ass wrote:

How would you like to get paid 1/2 your worth. It's slavery.

If you're paid half your worth, find someone who will pay you your worth.

If you can't find someone to pay you that amount - you aren't worth what you think.

Slavery BTW is when you don't have the freedom to quit, which you do have.

You dumb ass wrote:

WhitePony wrote:

What do you mean? Who defines your worth?

Please don't make me explain.

Can you explain?

WhitePony wrote:

You dumb ass wrote:

Please don't make me explain.

Can you explain?

I'm serious. You don't want any of this.

WhitePony wrote:

Lib Rules wrote:

Why exactly would "a lot of local places have to close their doors"? That's simply not true.

Well according to my friend that own a business in my town, "we hardly have enough money to afford paying the employees $7.50, there is no way we could pay them $15."

He owns and runs a local fast food restaurant, not a chain, where he employees several of the high school runners on my team. Great guy that just love helping out our community, but simply does not have the money to afford paying the employees much more unless he drastically raises his prices.

I assume you are for cutting the corporate subsidies (at the same time) and getting back to communities without big box stores then, right? I am.

WhitePony wrote:

L L wrote:

If you agree in having any minimum wage you must agree that it should go up over time as average wages and overall production goes up.

Yes I agree if it is set in line with an actual living wage, but my concern is for the small business owners, I know giants such as Wal-Mart can afford to pay their employees more, but what about the small locally owned businesses.

$7.50 is a living wage where I live, why should we be forced to raise our minimum wage just because people cannot live on that wage in other parts of the country?

A $15 minimum wage would force a lot of the unique businesses in my town to close their doors and would leave us with just the big box stores, which will then have a monopoly on goods in our area.

And, $7.50 is not a "living" wage anywhere in the US. It's a tease of a wage that forces people to use government assistance. Assistance that is already being given to big box stores. Cut the subsidies. Raise the wage.

For reference: http://livingwage.mit.edu/

The place where the raise in minimum wage with have the worse effect is Puerto Rico:

http://www.economics21.org/commentary/federal-minimum-wage-killing-puerto-ricos-economy

Only 35% of the population of Puerto Rico is working compared with 59% of the mainland.

Lib Rules wrote:

And, $7.50 is not a "living" wage anywhere in the US. It's a tease of a wage that forces people to use government assistance. Assistance that is already being given to big box stores. Cut the subsidies. Raise the wage.

$7.50 an hour could certainly put people in the poverty range in my area, but they could also afford a place to stay and food to eat but not much extra so I can see how the government assistance would come into play. I agree that $7.50 is too low for someone trying to feed a family, but I also think that $15 an hour is too big of a jump.

That is an interesting calculator though, thank you for sharing that, you also make some very interesting points.

Lib Rules wrote:

WhitePony wrote:

Well according to my friend that own a business in my town, "we hardly have enough money to afford paying the employees $7.50, there is no way we could pay them $15."

He owns and runs a local fast food restaurant, not a chain, where he employees several of the high school runners on my team. Great guy that just love helping out our community, but simply does not have the money to afford paying the employees much more unless he drastically raises his prices.

I assume you are for cutting the corporate subsidies (at the same time) and getting back to communities without big box stores then, right? I am.

I assume Obama, Hillary, and probably Sanders are all disqualified in your book then.

I was just going to bring up Puerto Rico.

Yes. The country is too big and diverse to have a universal wage that works and has the desired impact.

It's honestly used now as a political chip by both sides rather than a useful tool.

Seattle Food Jobs Soar After $11 Minimum Wage Starts

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2016/01/08/seattle-food-jobs-soar-after-11-minimum-wage-starts/

Keep in mind this is from Forbes. It's just like happened in Hong Kong, where minimum wage hike resulted in a shortage of low wage jobs.

coach d wrote:

Seattle Food Jobs Soar After $11 Minimum Wage Starts

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2016/01/08/seattle-food-jobs-soar-after-11-minimum-wage-starts/

Keep in mind this is from Forbes. It's just like happened in Hong Kong, where minimum wage hike resulted in a shortage of low wage jobs.

Keep in mind $11 in Seattle is approximately $3 in a random town in Mississippi. Hence no national increase needed.

Don't present facts to Conservatives and expect anything other than vicious, unintelligent retorts.

Pfft, Puerto Rico's issues have everything to do with them turning themselves in to a tax haven for Billionaires.

You dumb ass wrote:

WhitePony wrote:

Can you explain?

I'm serious. You don't want any of this.

I'm serious as well. I'd be quite happy to read your explanation/justification regarding your worth.

Of course, you really haven't got anything. That much is pretty obvious. But I'd love to see you try.

Subsidizing employers business costs taxpayers $TRILLIONS. Employers should use profits to pay employees and must stop sponging off local taxpayers.

Lib Rules wrote:

And, $7.50 is not a "living" wage anywhere in the US. It's a tease of a wage that forces people to use government assistance. Assistance that is already being given to big box stores. Cut the subsidies. Raise the wage.

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This is false.

I know several people who live comfortably on $7.50 so you are wrong. None of them are on government assistance.

Like I said before, if you can't make it on $7.50, I don't see how $15 is going to matter. You'll just find more expensive ways to mismanage your money and still be struggling.

Also, that MIT living wage calculator is very flawed and should not be used as fact.

You dumb ass wrote:

How would you like to get paid 1/2 your worth. It's slavery.

I believe some folks would disagree that working minimum wage at Mickey Dees equates to slavery.

PS- everyone is paid exactly what they are worth. Think about it.

Lib Rules wrote:

And, $7.50 is not a "living" wage anywhere in the US. It's a tease of a wage that forces people to use government assistance. Assistance that is already being given to big box stores. Cut the subsidies. Raise the wage.

Are you joking? Just trolling for kicks?