Hebron ky training group going down!

Wow...Ok...I guess I am a moron because this guy says so. Let me apologize for my moronness, I feel bad I lowered the level of discourse on the LRC message boards.

Secondly, I pray that I meet this individual in person.

runthecountry wrote:

Kdoo wrote:

If they are cheating then that is wrong. But if you're condemning people that haven't tested positive, you are pathetic.

While there is a chance not everyone in the group is cheating, your logic is not really sound. What people are condemning is a group that has had multiple positives, and races a prolific number of small to mid-range races without testing. That pattern of behavior opens them up to all the suspicion and criticism they are getting, in my mind.

It's not like these folks couldn't win plenty of prize money without being juiced up, but someone had to get greedy. My guess is that the runners are being exploited by their managers for their own financial gain.

Consider this.... wrote:

It's not like these folks couldn't win plenty of prize money without being juiced up, but someone had to get greedy. My guess is that the runners are being exploited by their managers for their own financial gain.

Oh, I am almost certain that is the case. Especially if the part about taking all the travel money and then showing up all in one van is true (and I bet the athletes see none of that money).

But if doping allows them to run a 1:05 half marathon three times a month compared to 1:06 twice a month without doping (or maybe 1:05 every other month without doping) - both the athlete and the manager are guilty on some level.

I am alarmed at this news, although not terribly surprised. My spouse and I directed a race until recently, the last two years of which we had top male finishers from this group. This just flat out stinks for the sport, and most of all, for the athletes who are clean and are cheated out of their rightful awards & recognition. That is the part that ticks me off the most. I have let the new directors know about this development. Is there a published article anywhere about this development with this group? I haven't found anything yet. Thanks.

Not sure if there is any write-up about the whole group and history of any doping positives all in one article. There have been a few positives over the past few years, including one in the past week, but any news coverage has been scattered.

exactly which individuals have tested positive... ?

Do they have Geb on their banner?

There is a List, just Google them, Nixon Chepingetich, Jynoclel Basweti, Lilian Mariita, peter kemboi.. also Mourad Moffit, not with them anymore I think he is with another group out of Philadelphia.

Do your homework and you will see what we are all talking about. once a Cheat, always a cheat, coach, athletes and the whole stinking Club!

GNI wrote:

There is a List, just Google them, Nixon Chepingetich, Jynoclel Basweti, Lilian Mariita, peter kemboi.. also Mourad Moffit, not with them anymore I think he is with another group out of Philadelphia.

Do your homework and you will see what we are all talking about. once a Cheat, always a cheat, coach, athletes and the whole stinking Club!

Mourad Marofit tested positive? When and where? Googled Mourad Marofit and doping = nothing

runthecountry wrote:

Consider this.... wrote:

It's not like these folks couldn't win plenty of prize money without being juiced up, but someone had to get greedy. My guess is that the runners are being exploited by their managers for their own financial gain.

Oh, I am almost certain that is the case. Especially if the part about taking all the travel money and then showing up all in one van is true (and I bet the athletes see none of that money).

But if doping allows them to run a 1:05 half marathon three times a month compared to 1:06 twice a month without doping (or maybe 1:05 every other month without doping) - both the athlete and the manager are guilty on some level.

I know someone is going to say this is a dumb idea, but the vast majority of races (all but the major events) should go back to just giving nice trophies to the top finishers.

don't forget Asmae Leghazoui (epo)

GNI wrote:

don't forget Asmae Leghazoui (epo)

Yes, she did test positive. What about Marofit though? You have info or not?

Have an of the Hebron guys tested positive, or only Mariitia? I keep the state records for Missouri, so have not seen any males show up. Thanks! ML