What´s the thing about americans and tempo run?

Better down under! wrote:

American Tempo Run wrote:

The American Tempo Run is necessary to build your AEROBIC HOUSE.

The American Tempo is the biggest reason AMerica has become the BEST nonAfrican distance running country. No other non African country can match our depth.

No, America has more depth because it is bigger. Countries like NZ and Australia are way better.

Japan?

is a tempo run a LT threshold run then? Confused.

Race Jasr wrote:

is a tempo run a LT threshold run then? Confused.

it´s just my point of view without claim to universal validity:

very often tempo pace is defined as the pace of a 10 mile race, more or less. but this is somehow unsatisfactory. there are more options to determine tempo runs. there is a wide range.

i do not, therefore, have any problem with the answer: yes, a LT threshold run is one kind of a tempo run. i like what i have written above about short, mid or long tempo runs à la furman.

Furman, really? Lower than low.

mr.sj wrote:

i know what you mean. you are right. but all threads about tempo runs end up in hairsplitting.

tempo runs are bread and butter, well proven.

just my view: i doubt that sthg. like an "american tempo" exists. there are a few ways to define a tempo run. personally speaking, it´s sthg. in the range of tempo runs and threshold runs à la jack daniels.

you may laugh but i prefer the furman/first-style to keep it simple: short tempo of 2-4miles (10k race pace); mid tempo of 4-6 miles (10k race pace plus 10s per km); long tempo of 7-14 or 15 miles (10k race pace plus 15-20s per km). these tempos are great producers of aerobic fitness.

intervals are sthg. different (way faster!).

Abbreviating "something" as "sthg." is an absolutely psychotic move.

Frank Shorter never did tempo runs. He just did 2 speed workouts a week, lots of races, and high mileage. Maybe tempos are pointless. Idk. They're fun, but I feel like if you race frequently you don't need them.

HardLoper wrote:

I imagine people all over the world have always done tempos but they don't call it a tempo. It's just a comfortable brisk run, or hammering the last few miles when you feel good.

This^

I ran HS & college in the 80's. We did similar workouts to what they are doing now, we just didn't label them. Some days coach would say "we're doing 10M just run together," other days we'd do 5M and he'd say to pick it up over the last 3M. Then there were the reps and intervals (of course it was the 80's.)

Running is a simple sport. There are only 2 variables to deal with, distance and effort. We shouldn't complicated it so much.

Wow, I was wndg. what the hell that was supposed to mean.

uh DUH wrote:

Abbreviating "something" as "sthg." is an absolutely psychotic move.

I haven't been in touch with running culture in "a lot of places in the world". Are you saying that only America likes running hard for an extended period of time? What do they do elsewhere, only short intervals and easy runs?

asdfadsfasdf wrote:

well,. wrote:

Because tempo runs are the single most important hard workout for long distance runners.

The fact that you use the words "tempo" and "hard" in the same sentence reveals that you have no idea what you're talking about

Classic tempo/threshold pace is one-hour race pace, or just a little faster than half marathon pace for a quick guy like me.

Doing that for 20-40 minutes isn't easy.

Much more emphasis on repeats and easy runs, yes. Also competing more frequently on a greater range of distances.

Would be more convinced if you had some specifics.

so called tempo runs can be the bread and butter of a buildup. stiff one hour or so runs over hilly terrain gives you a base for the mile to marathon.

you dont want to sacrifice the real work you need which is race pace work two times a week. plus speed work.

an el g would be focused on 54 second pace 400m mostly. 600m to 1 k.

and an elite marathoner would want to do 430 to 450 mile pace.

American Tempo Run wrote:

Which brings me to my next point. Colorado and Adams State use the American Tempo as a major component of training. The exercise physiology and science have been proven. The American Tempo Run is necessary for SUCCESS.

What exercise physiology and science? Proven what?

You can't even get exercise physiologist to agree on, or even define the tempo run..

J Tupperware wrote:

American Tempo Run wrote:

Which brings me to my next point. Colorado and Adams State use the American Tempo as a major component of training. The exercise physiology and science have been proven. The American Tempo Run is necessary for SUCCESS.

What exercise physiology and science? Proven what?

You can't even get exercise physiologist to agree on, or even define the tempo run..

Hmm, I think that one was trollage.

uh DUH wrote:

Abbreviating "something" as "sthg." is an absolutely psychotic move.

Man, you have just solved a pressing world problem. This is an internet forum, right?

somebloke wrote:

Furman, really? Lower than low.

furman, really. not the runner´s world program of furman, but furman. running for example 12-15 miles, warm up and down excluded, at 10k race pace plus 15s per km is tough. and 2 or 3 days later 3 x 2 miles at 10k race pace isn´t bad either. in addition the speed work comes. all within a week. and lots of easy runs.

You guys may be going in the wrong direction. Alabama didn't state "tempo runs" to be a waste. Alabama wondered why the fascination without same intensity for interval repeats or fartlek? If one only cares about Marathon or ulta-Marathon, tempo run may be one's most vigorous workout. One cannot max 10K and shorter potential without ALSO doing interval repeats

same to you wrote:

asdfadsfasdf wrote:

The fact that you use the words "tempo" and "hard" in the same sentence reveals that you have no idea what you're talking about

You just used "tempo" and "hard" in the same sentence yourself.

Now three of you have used those two words in the same sentence