Let's Crowd Source the WADA Report: My Initial 7 Takeways

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  • wejo
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    4 years ago 11/09/2015 10:32am CST
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    The full WADA report into allegations of Russian sponsored doping is here:
    https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/wada_independent_commission_report_1_en.pdf

    I'm posting my key take aways.

    My initial thoughts just reading the summary and a few parts:

    1) Director of Moscow Lab WADA accredited lab was aiding doping.

    2) The Moscow Government funded a 2nd shadow lab in Moscow to help dopers.

    3) Russian FSB (state security) had agents in the Sochi Olympic lab and the Moscow lab.

    4) The report "concludes that there was direct intimidation and interference by the Russian state with the Moscow lab"

    5) Head of Moscow lab destroyed 1,417 samples after WADA told him to preserve them. We'll never be able to see what they contained.

    6) Two gold medallists in the race walk (Valeriy Borchin, Sergey Kirdyapkin) were not sanctioned for years allowing them to compete in the 2012 Olympics

    7) The Lausanne Switzerland lab even destroyes 67 samples after it was told to keep them. A Russian guy made the claim back in 2012 that the Moscow lab had clean samples for a bunch of athletes to use. WADA then requested "A" and "B" samples be flown to the Lausanne lab and some of these there were destroyed before they should have been.
  • Clerk
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    4 years ago 11/09/2015 10:38am CST
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    Don't forget that the 2013 WC were held in Moscow. Those samples are likely included in the 1,400

    Also, this report is only focused on Russia. The report implies the other information provided by Seppelt on Kenya, and IAAF corruption is still under investigation:

    "Although the IC report and recommendations are confined to Russia and athletics, the IC wishes to make it clear that, in its considered view, Russia is not the only country, nor athletics the only sport, facing the problem of orchestrated doping in sport.
    The IC has provided certain results of its investigations to Interpol. Interpol has agreed to launch an integrated inquiry into the criminal nature of actions on the part of a number of actors appearing in the course of the investigations. Because of this, certain portions of the IC report will be held back until the police authorities have concluded their own investigations and have decided upon the possible prosecution of criminal charges. Once that stage has been reached, the IC will release that portion of its report."

    D ick Pound said during the conference more information would be released before the end of the year.
  • let em dope it's all BS
    4 years ago 11/09/2015 10:41am CST
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    And yet they still can't run as fast as in the 80's

    The drugs don't work, it's all hype.
  • polevaultpower
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    4 years ago 11/09/2015 12:04pm CST
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    I was pleased to see that the report acknowledged that Lashmanova and others competed during their bans. I hope that there is follow-up on this before Rio, because her ban needs to be extended...
  • Clerk
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    4 years ago 11/09/2015 12:06pm CST
    re: let em dope it's all BS
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    Also, Russian athletes get beat, regularly. The Russians getting beat are also not bound to micro dosing, are able to dope through the competition (instead of just OOC). And they're still getting beat...
  • ScratchNSniff
    4 years ago 11/09/2015 12:16pm CST
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    The drugs don't do much good unless you up your training also. That is why Ma's Army got beat in training (literally) so they wouldn't get beat in competition. The discipline level (not to mention the reduced pool of athletes) is not the same as when they were the U.S.S.R..

    Clerk wrote:

    Also, Russian athletes get beat, regularly. The Russians getting beat are also not bound to micro dosing, are able to dope through the competition (instead of just OOC). And they're still getting beat...
  • coach grammarian
    4 years ago 11/09/2015 12:49pm CST
    re: let em dope it's all BS
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    '80s, not 80's.
    let em dope it's all BS wrote:

    And yet they still can't run as fast as in the 80's
    .
  • Hey go
    4 years ago 11/09/2015 1:10pm CST
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    http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/11/news/seven-things-track-and-field-can-learn-from-cycling_388899
  • parkerclay
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    4 years ago 11/09/2015 2:58pm CST
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    Does this mean Borzakovskiy, Isinbayeva and Chicherova doped??
  • Precious Roy
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    4 years ago 11/09/2015 3:14pm CST
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    parkerclay wrote:

    Does this mean Borzakovskiy, Isinbayeva and Chicherova doped??

    What about Petrova-Arkhipova? She drops a 2 minute PR in the heat to get a bronze in 2012. She was a 2:30 marathoner who suddenly saw 5 min drop in her PR. And what about Mariya Savinova? She was implicated in the ARD documentary. Her kick in the 2012 Olympics was just not to be believed. She ran away from Jelimo and Semenya like they were a bunch of Div III runners.

    My takeaway from the report is that Russia has returned to the cold war ways of competing in athletics. Extreme Nationalism in Russia under Putin has resulted in a return to the E. German system. Win at any cost to serve the political elite. Russia must be banned for 2016. They have no credible doping control system. Doping control needs to be given to an international commission that has no connection to any particular sport or country. Letting countries do their own doping control is the fox and hen house. Letting the sporting federations have control over anti-doping leads only to corruption.
  • pop_pop!_v2.1.1
    4 years ago 11/09/2015 3:30pm CST
    re: Precious Roy
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    Precious Roy wrote:
    Win at any cost to serve the political elite. Russia must be banned for 2016. They have no credible doping control system.

    Russia is hardly alone because there is no credible doping control system. The anti-doping system has swiftly become a method to extract bribes from athletes.

    Precious Roy wrote:
    Doping control needs to be given to an international commission that has no connection to any particular sport or country. Letting countries do their own doping control is the fox and hen house. Letting the sporting federations have control over anti-doping leads only to corruption.

    FYI, "countries" do not do their own doping control. Sports federations do their own doping control. They order tests from commercial biological testing labs that have gone to the trouble of getting WADA certification.

    Give NADOs and WADA the authority to open positives and watch the positives fly! Of course, the sports federations will not allow that.

    Coe and Reedie both in a bind now as both seem bought and paid. Does anyone know how many Russians are sprinkled throughout the IAAF?
  • dwightarm
    4 years ago 11/09/2015 4:07pm CST
    re: pop_pop!_v2.1.1
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    I wonder if this scares countries like Turkey or Morocco? Or Spain?
  • polevaultpower
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    4 years ago 11/09/2015 4:55pm CST
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    parkerclay wrote:

    Does this mean Borzakovskiy, Isinbayeva and Chicherova doped??

    It would be naive to assume they are all clean...
  • taras bulba
    4 years ago 11/09/2015 5:17pm CST
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    Precious Roy wrote:

    Win at any cost to serve the political elite. Russia must be banned for 2016. They have no credible doping control system.

    For sure they neef to be banned.

    Wasn't this what the USA did back in the '80s? Though it was before doping protocol was set, I think the Ben Johnson - Carl Lewis ESPN 30 for 30 reported that doping samples-results were destroyed. The noticeable difference that the government wasn't as involved. Just my take. It was a different era.
  • remember the sweep
    4 years ago 11/09/2015 9:33pm CST
    re: wejo
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    I remember being quite surprised and a little suspicious when the ruskies swept the medals in the men's 50k cross country ski race in the last Olympics. With the new information, it's safe to assume they were all doped. But since so many samples were destroyed, they will probably keep their medals. This must be so frustrating for the athletes who are attempting to compete clean in any endurance sport.
  • bluegill
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    4 years ago 11/09/2015 10:18pm CST
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    Clerk wrote:

    Also, Russian athletes get beat, regularly. The Russians getting beat are also not bound to micro dosing, are able to dope through the competition (instead of just OOC). And they're still getting beat...

    ...so if they dope and get beat does that mean that others don't dope and are better or that the others are just better dopers? ...as the Velonews article puts it "...you do the math."

    In cycling the times are getting slower as doping controls tighten. Don't really see that trend in track and field. Hmmm....
  • Clerk
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    4 years ago 11/09/2015 10:23pm CST
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    bluegill wrote:

    Clerk wrote:

    Also, Russian athletes get beat, regularly. The Russians getting beat are also not bound to micro dosing, are able to dope through the competition (instead of just OOC). And they're still getting beat...

    ...so if they dope and get beat does that mean that others don't dope and are better or that the others are just better dopers? ...as the Velonews article puts it "...you do the math."

    In cycling the times are getting slower as doping controls tighten. Don't really see that trend in track and field. Hmmm....


    The times in cycling are not getting slower. That is a myth. Follow @ammattipyoraily and look at some of his charts comparing times on cllimbs over the years (look through the images to see his charts.) Not to get in deep now, though.
  • Hopeful Runner
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    4 years ago 11/09/2015 10:26pm CST
    re: wejo
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    Russia should be banned from competing in the Olympics. A statement needs to be made.
  • flashback to 2000s
    4 years ago 11/09/2015 10:43pm CST
    re: Hopeful Runner
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    Remember when the IOC threatened to remove Cycling from the Olympics?

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pound-says-ioc-may-drop-cycling-from-olympics-on-armstrong-confession/

    Could the IOC remove running from the Olympics?
  • gypsyranger
    4 years ago 11/09/2015 10:50pm CST
    re: wejo
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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_sportspeople_in_doping_cases