A penis is like God's inappropriateness detector. If someone with a penis is thinking inappropriate things: boing! Everyone knows! So unless this girl is sporting a tent pole nobody should care.
A penis is like God's inappropriateness detector. If someone with a penis is thinking inappropriate things: boing! Everyone knows! So unless this girl is sporting a tent pole nobody should care.
outed wrote:
A penis is like God's inappropriateness detector.
The average male's preferred weapon of violence.
I know you a real trying to be tongue in cheek...or at least hope you are, but I have been very attracted to some guys at the gym and have never got an inappropriate erection.
rojo "identifies" as a track & field journalist.
The only reason I am replying to this unrelated drivel is so you don't actually think you had a good point because your post is idiotic and not even close to being the same thing.
DiscoGary wrote:
I self-identify as a surgeon. I demand to perform surgery on people, and anyone who refuses to submit is a BIGOT!
No one has the right to violate my right to self-identify as a surgeon. Got it? It's all about MY rights. You don't matter!!!
I do this all the time wrote:
rojo wrote:If society is so far advanced, then simply have one bathroom period.
If im at starbucks or whatever and the mens is occupied but the womens isnt, i go for the womens. Why hold up the potty pipeline, you know? Just keep it moving.
P.S. ladies rest assured, i do wipe my piss of the seat if any gets there.
If it's a single commode restroom and the door locks, definitely, use what's available.
"Personally, I've always found it weird that we have separate bathrooms at sporting events. It's not like I'm going to see your privates in a stall."
Rojo, are you really this fcking stupid? Women get harrassed in the open at sporting events. You think a bunch of drunked up guys at a game aren't going to harass a woman in a restroom? Daaaaamn.
Rojo - thank you very much for having the courage to publicly say how wrong this issue is. It's about wrong vs. right, not equally. The PC police have made every issue of "choice" about political rightness vs. decent, fair common sense. The transgenders don't want equality, they want privileges no else has. Shame on them and those who are pushing their agenda. Few people care that he's dressing as a woman. Just stay the hell out the the female bathroom as long as you have a penis.
Get used to it.. wrote:
The only reason I am replying to this unrelated drivel is so you don't actually think you had a good point because your post is idiotic and not even close to being the same thing.
DiscoGary wrote:I self-identify as a surgeon. I demand to perform surgery on people, and anyone who refuses to submit is a BIGOT!
No one has the right to violate my right to self-identify as a surgeon. Got it? It's all about MY rights. You don't matter!!!
The point is that no one should have to accommodate me for believing I'm something I'm not.
The right of transgendered people to have social acceptance against the right of teenagers to not get changed with someone who has the penis.
I dare say, in no small part due to the hatred of people like many of those on this thread, that the transgendered girl has a much more difficult life.
I mean, forget the appalling levels of social exclusion, job discrimination, homelessness and violence that transgendered people face. They make me feel icky and that's all that matters.
Le veritable wrote:
The right of transgendered people to have social acceptance ...
Whoa! Where is it written that trans-gendered people have a RIGHT to have "social acceptance"?
To be treated equally under the law, yes. To use the power of government to FORCE others into social acceptance, no.
This is how you end up with Christian bakers being fined $130,000 dollars for refusing to bake a cake. If you think that kind of fascism is good, then you better consider what might happen to you when the tables are turned and the thought police come after you.
Get used to it.. wrote:
I know you a real trying to be tongue in cheek...or at least hope you are, but I have been very attracted to some guys at the gym and have never got an inappropriate erection.
How about an appropriate one? According to you at least.
Trying to stay as moderate as possible on this issue but I think everyone needs to remember just how awful teenage dudes can be. Especially to one another. A boy's high school locker room is a dangerous place for anyone -- can you imagine having a different sexuality than everyone else? It's very dangerous.
I agree, however, that she should have accepted the private room that was made available.
I'm generally liberal about these issues, but here's what I don't understand:
Lila Perry
"There's a lot of ignorance. They're claiming they're uncomfortable. I don't believe for a second they are. I think this is pure and simple bigotry."
But ... isn't this the exact mindset that Lila is supposed to be against? I mean, I could simply rephrase the above like so (note: I don't actually believe the following):
Some other person
"There's a lot of ignorance. Lila's claiming that she's uncomfortable using male facilities. I don't believe for a second she actually is. I think this is pure and simple insanity."
You can't expect people to be sympathetic toward your feelings when you categorically deny the validity of their own. In fact, you'd think Lila would be particularly receptive to someone (in this case, hundreds of people) saying that they're uncomfortable -- that is, after all, exactly what she's claiming.
To me, the solution is pretty obvious: People deserve the right to use locker rooms segregated by anatomical composition -- all "feelings" aside. These girls should not be forced to share facilities with some who is anatomically male. Likewise, I believe people who identify as being the opposite of their anatomy, deserve the opportunity to use another (gender-neutral or private) facility. That's all there is to it, IMO.
Why is it worse for the girls to have a MtF transgender person in the locker room than to have lesbians in the locker room?
. W. H. I. N. E. Y. wrote:
"Why is it that the public majority constantly is having to change and cater to the minority? How about gays, trannies or whatever the heck other things are out there just deal with it and accommodate to the established standards of society."
Well first things first, our entire system of government was literally designed to prevent the tyranny of the majority. And as "established standards of society" are constantly evolving, and often indefensible (this argument was also made to defend everything from slavery to subjugation of women), it is hardly a substantive reason for the continuation of something.
The amount of ignorance on this subject displayed here is staggering. It's one thing to see that from anonymous board posters, but it's embarrassing to watch the site owner put out such blatantly ignorant information.
"The fact that she self-identifies as a woman has nothing to do with it. It amazes me that someone could think it does."
Maybe, just maybe, this issue, which is fast gaining traction and support similar to other issues of minority rights, is a bit more complicated than 'hurr durr penis is literally all that matters to me.'
If it amazes you that other people are able to consider a subject beyond literally the most simplistic approach, maybe you shouldn't wear your ignorance as a badge of honor.
Please America, wake up.
As we get more and more of these illogical, pompous, 'enlightened' blowhards, society is quickly devolving into chaos.
rojo wrote:
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2015/09/02/protest-transgender-teen-bathroom/Isn't it common sense that if you have penis, you should have to a) use the men's bathroom. or b) the gender neutral bathroom that you were offered.
The fact that she self-identifies as a woman has nothing to do with it. It amazes me that someone could think it does. If society is so far advanced, then simply have one bathroom period. Personally, I've always found it weird that we have separate bathrooms at sporting events. It's not like I'm going to see your privates in a stall. But don't have a men's and women' s bathroom and then let people with penises use the women's bathroom.
Whose rights are being violated? By bending over backwards to the transgender person they are trampling on the rights of all of the girls that want to shower with people without penises.
Right on Rojo...in fact why do I have to shower with blacks, hispanics, asians. Dammit. I know some of these people "self identify" as a something other than what they are, but still they are diffent than me.
I'm guessing Rojo is a BIG FAN of separate but equal. Your argument was tried in the 60s (and lost) FYI
Clam Evans wrote:
Why is it worse for the girls to have a MtF transgender person in the locker room than to have lesbians in the locker room?
Because there's a physical, tangible and perceptible anatomically difference. Sexual preference should be largely irrelevant; there should be no way to gauge it if said person is behaving in reasonable manner.
XY Guy wrote:
crete wrote:Rojo, so you are saying there should be 2 locker rooms - one for people with XX chromosomes and one for XY and that's final?
But what then for the 1% of the population that have neither XX or XY genotype? Should we have a separate option for every possible intersex genotype, also?
No?
Then should we group people by phenotype? Eg if they look like a girl, then they use the girls?
Not really such a difficult issue. Anyone with a Y chromosome is male, and anyone without a Y chromosome is female. X, XXX, and XXXX individuals are phenotypically female, and XXY and XYY individuals are phenotypically male, so it's really just the presence of a Y chromosome that makes the distinction.
That's a gross generalization. Usually these decisions on what phenotype are made at birth by the doctor on how the individual will live their life. The individual often has no choice in this.
But are you saying everyone should submit to a chromosomal anlaysis before entering a locker room? How would that work?
rojo wrote:
Personally, I've always found it weird that we have separate bathrooms at sporting events. It's not like I'm going to see your privates in a stall.
I am constantly baffled at the lack of understanding libertarians have into human nature. It's like they're a completely different species from everyone else.
Co-ed bathrooms mean that a woman finishes washing up, alone, in the bathroom and a bad guy walks in and mugs and/or rapes her. Women get mugged and raped in single-sex bathrooms too, but in the real world security is about adding layers not finding magic bullets. Reduce the crimes of opportunity, eliminate the lower hanging fruit, 2,3,5 etc.
I think everyone has missed a huge point. It is not legal for a teenage boy or man to expose himself to underage girls. We have rules like this to protect women from perverts.
If a guy with a bad wig and a skirt comes into the woman's locker room at the pool and exposes his penis he will be arrested. Time will tell if this "transgender person is legit or just grow up into one of those men that do such things. They are out there and that is why we have laws to protect women from such harassment.