American Record in Zurich 3K?

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  • alanson
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    4 years ago 09/01/2015 8:57pm CDT
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    Star-studded race with top 5 from Beijing 5K, plus Rowbury and Simpson (and others including Coburn and Infeld who both are outclassed here in a flat 3k).

    I think the two Americans have something to prove, and so does Dibaba, but for Rowbury/Simpson to finish better than sixth will be tough. Ayana is certainly capable of sub-8:20, Cherono and Kibiwot are sub 8:25. Dibaba and Teferi are almost certainly capable of 8:25 this year.

    American Record is 8:25.83 set 7 Sep 1985 in Rome.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY7aUAOit0I
  • dibaba
    4 years ago 09/02/2015 12:32am CDT
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    Dibaba has a personal best of 8:16.6 which she ran indoors. I give her the edge.

    http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/ethiopia/genzebe-dibaba-226511

    But I don't think anyone will run under 8:20 and I don't think that the American record will be broken.
  • Bad Wigins
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    4 years ago 09/02/2015 12:49am CDT
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    Ayana is capable of sub-8. She was holding back in Beijing big time.
  • yyy
    4 years ago 09/02/2015 3:41am CDT
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    No American records. Jet lag. Ethiopians will dissapoint as well due to jet lag.
    Jet lag is a big factor here. Very big.
  • kjgkuyg
    4 years ago 09/02/2015 3:51am CDT
    re: Bad Wigins
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    Bad Wigins wrote:

    Ayana is capable of sub-8. She was holding back in Beijing big time.

    The splits on her last three laps got slower and slower.
    You are wrong there.
  • Your 3rd grade spelling teache
    4 years ago 09/02/2015 4:25am CDT
    re: kjgkuyg
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    kjgkuyg wrote:

    Bad Wigins wrote:

    Ayana is capable of sub-8. She was holding back in Beijing big time.

    The splits on her last three laps got slower and slower.
    You are wrong there.


    Do you understand what "holding back" means? It seems you do not.
  • Coach Dunbar
    4 years ago 09/02/2015 8:29am CDT
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    NO American Records. Americans are too timid, too scared to jump out front, set a blistering pace. The past Worlds re-emphasized that. American runners who race on the world stage sit in the back, run a high schoolers pace then sprint the last 100m. Ive lost respect for these folks. Fans pay hundreds, thousands of dollars to travel and watch the races just to see these folks jogging around the track slow enough for a high schooler to run until the last 100m. its appawling!
  • ijenns318
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    4 years ago 09/02/2015 8:47am CDT
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    Haha sub 8?! There's no way she's gonna average like 4:15 pace for 3k...that's 63 and change per lap, the world record for the mile is 4:12 by the way. I think she's capable of something towards like 8:10-8:15 at her best, but no way is she going sub 8.
  • False Comrad
    4 years ago 09/02/2015 9:04am CDT
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    The WR for the mile is now equivelent to around 4:07 due to Dibab's 3:50 1500 where she negative split the race and closed in 1:59/2:00 showing she could crushed the world best in the Mile.
  • zephito
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    4 years ago 09/02/2015 9:08am CDT
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    ijenns318 wrote:

    Haha sub 8?! There's no way she's gonna average like 4:15 pace for 3k...that's 63 and change per lap, the world record for the mile is 4:12 by the way. I think she's capable of something towards like 8:10-8:15 at her best, but no way is she going sub 8.

    14:10 5k (which is plausible for the 2 Ethiopians) = 8:03 for 3k, according to McMillan. Hmmmm...

    I really don't think they're going to be close to 8. Sub 8:20 would be good. But those two really have been impressive. It's possible the WR could go soon, if not at Zurich then sometime next year.
  • Bro - Mama
    4 years ago 09/02/2015 10:50am CDT
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    alanson wrote:

    I think the two Americans have something to prove,

    American Record is 8:25.83 set 7 Sep 1985 in Rome.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY7aUAOit0I

    No one cares.
    Too little, too late.
    If they had any cajones, we would have seen that at WC
  • 2lazy2look
    4 years ago 09/02/2015 11:19am CDT
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    What time is this CT?
  • Old D2 Guy
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    4 years ago 09/02/2015 11:29am CDT
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    Bro - Mama wrote:

    If they had any cajones, we would have seen that at WC

    I don't think so. Why would any of the Americans have set a fast pace at WC's? None of the Americans could have run away from the rest of the competition a la Rudisha...
  • 2lazy2look
    4 years ago 09/02/2015 12:25pm CDT
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    What time is this CT?
  • World Traveler
    4 years ago 09/02/2015 12:28pm CDT
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    yyy wrote:

    No American records. Jet lag. Ethiopians will dissapoint as well due to jet lag.
    Jet lag is a big factor here. Very big.

    East to West? How is jet lag a problem?
  • Teach a man to fish
    4 years ago 09/02/2015 12:51pm CDT
    re: 2lazy2look
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    2lazy2look wrote:

    What time is this CT?

    http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_CH.aspx?city=Zurich
  • reed
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    4 years ago 09/02/2015 1:01pm CDT
    re: alanson
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    if the pace is 8:20, look for rowbury and simpson to be up in the pack for at least 2k, maybe holding on for high 8:20s.

    if the pace is 8:15 or faster, I think 8:10 is in jeopardy with ayana's strength and dibaba's speed. one of them will probably have a good day.

    i'm betting on Ayana to take the win, even though Genzeba should be better at 3000 in theory
  • ventolin^3
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    4 years ago 09/02/2015 1:22pm CDT
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    this race may be too soon after peking 5k for 2 top ethiopians & genze had some ?blisters

    anyhows, if they do go for it, it will be very interesting how close they get to sonia's 2k wr of 5'25.36 en route

    ( that is 8'08.04 pace )

    there is an outside chance sonia's wr coud go

    the question is :

    will iaaf ratify it if they do break it ?
  • Dwayne
    4 years ago 09/02/2015 3:00pm CDT
    re: World Traveler
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    A one hour time difference between Ethiopia and Zurich. Yup, that's gonna hurt.
  • jjjjjj
    4 years ago 09/02/2015 3:15pm CDT
    re: ventolin^3
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    They can set a record enroute if they set up the cameras at the 2k mark.

    Zurich is just far too close to the Championships nowadays, particularly when the athletes have to travel multiple time zones to get there, to get the great, great times they used to run there--maybe in the sprints or jumps. Why not hold it one week after? We've recently seen a run of disappointing times as athletes just cash in after championships. Back in the day, though, there were some very notable performances, such as Morceli's wr's.