Maybe the social issues don't directly translate to technology innovation, but perhaps it's the conglomeration of people with progressive ideas that's the key. If you are willing to push the edge of social issues, perhaps you are also more willing than others to break away from the mainstream on technology, too.
whyyoubesodumb wrote:
4runner wrote:Why hasn't any red state produced a single important tech company in the last 10 years?
Maybe crazy-ass liberal Northern California, with their acceptance of gays, welcoming immigrants with open arms, strong worker protections, and high minimum wages is just better than the rest of the world at producing tech companies...
Why have 90% of "blue states" not produced a single important tech company in the last 10 years? Oh, because the "red state vs blue state" arguments are incredibly idiotic and designed to manipulate simpletons like yourself.
Your second paragraph is hilarious and ultra-ignorant (not surprising), as literally none of those social headline issues result in technological innovation and/or wealth creation. Not a single one. The tech sector has been enduring harsh criticism over the last 20 years for not being "diverse" enough. Wait, all white men [and some Asians] created all of this? How can that be?! Deny that it's happening!! And even mentioning minimum wage in areas like Silicon Valley is hilarious, as those folks even making $15/hr are struggling and live nowhere near the city in which they work (or they share an 500 sq ft apartment with 4 other people, which is no way to live).
Technological innovation, real estate development, finance, etc (and general greediness and power desired by a very small group of people) produce the wealth of, yes, even the deepest of blue areas. NYC, SF, LA, etc didn't become so wealthy because of their support of gay marriage, the joy they feel when a bunch of immigrants just show up on the curb, campaigning for a carbon tax, picketing for gun-free zones, etc. If you think so, you should be suing the daylights out of your alma-mater, because you graduated completely ignorant of how society works.
As for welcoming immigrants-- it looks like 1 in 4 tech start-ups are founded by immigrants.
http://qz.com/11113/one-quarter-of-u-s-tech-start-ups-founded-by-an-immigrant-study/As for strong worker protection-- you try founding a start up if your state enforces non-compete clauses.
As for the high minimum wage-- Most of the talking heads on TV tell me that if we raise the minimum wage, the economy will crash. This is so plainly not true
As for other blue states-- look-- Massachusetts is pretty good at tech. So is NYC. The red states are all oil or agricultural states. Not the sort of places that develop economically.
One in four tech start-ups by immigrants maybe.
But the article doesn’t name the immigrants concerned, or more importantly, where they came from.
I guarantee they were precious few start-up coming from the flood of drug dealing criminals crossing our southern borders.
ignoramously euro wrote:
I couldn't make this up if I tried...
http://www.carscoops.com/2015/07/europe-crowns-ford-fiesta-as-best.htmlVorsprung durch Technik. wrote:Why hasn’t the USA produced a car worth a European buying in the last 10 years?
No wonder your biggest selling vehicle is a pick-up truck.
I don’t think we import American Fords.
The Fiestas concerned were created by European engineers and designers and manufactured in European factories.
But no person of discrimination who wishes to experience ultimate driving pleasure, (or to pull a desirable vixen.) - would buy a Ford.
They are cars for the working classes.
In actual fact, the Volkswagen Golf outsells the Fiesta in Europe, despite being a lot more expensive.
Just interested wrote:
Please list the important tech companies that the USA has produced in the last 10 years.
barely outside the 10 year barrier:
tesla was founded in 2003
linked in 2003
Facebook 2004
tumblr 2007
mongo db 2007
that was from 5 minutes of searching - I'm sure there are many, many more that we've never heard of.
This whole thread is an example of how little letsrun posters know about anything. There are, in fact, a large number of fast-growing tech companies all over Europe. All you have to do is look for them:
4runner wrote:
whyyoubesodumb wrote:Why have 90% of "blue states" not produced a single important tech company in the last 10 years? Oh, because the "red state vs blue state" arguments are incredibly idiotic and designed to manipulate simpletons like yourself.
Your second paragraph is hilarious and ultra-ignorant (not surprising), as literally none of those social headline issues result in technological innovation and/or wealth creation. Not a single one. The tech sector has been enduring harsh criticism over the last 20 years for not being "diverse" enough. Wait, all white men [and some Asians] created all of this? How can that be?! Deny that it's happening!! And even mentioning minimum wage in areas like Silicon Valley is hilarious, as those folks even making $15/hr are struggling and live nowhere near the city in which they work (or they share an 500 sq ft apartment with 4 other people, which is no way to live).
Technological innovation, real estate development, finance, etc (and general greediness and power desired by a very small group of people) produce the wealth of, yes, even the deepest of blue areas. NYC, SF, LA, etc didn't become so wealthy because of their support of gay marriage, the joy they feel when a bunch of immigrants just show up on the curb, campaigning for a carbon tax, picketing for gun-free zones, etc. If you think so, you should be suing the daylights out of your alma-mater, because you graduated completely ignorant of how society works.
As for welcoming immigrants-- it looks like 1 in 4 tech start-ups are founded by immigrants.
http://qz.com/11113/one-quarter-of-u-s-tech-start-ups-founded-by-an-immigrant-study/As for strong worker protection-- you try founding a start up if your state enforces non-compete clauses.
As for the high minimum wage-- Most of the talking heads on TV tell me that if we raise the minimum wage, the economy will crash. This is so plainly not true
As for other blue states-- look-- Massachusetts is pretty good at tech. So is NYC. The red states are all oil or agricultural states. Not the sort of places that develop economically.
OK, Mr Anecdote. Hahaha!
C'mon man, get educated so you learn to think analytically and actually understand what you're talking about. You sound ridiculous.
norstud wrote:
Speaking as a European and a norwegian, you americans generalize us waaay too much. Yes, it's true, if I or someone from sweden, denmark, finland, germany, france and more get sick, we won't have to worry about our finances. However, countries that used to belong to the sovjet and other east european contries don't have it the same way as us. There's a major difference between Romania, who is poor, and Norway, who is the wealthiest country in the world.
Ditto for European's and their generalizations of Americans. San Francisco is much different from Chicago, which is much different from Colorado, which is much different than a suburb, which is much different from rural areas.
Yeeeeaaaahhhh, I'm going to go ahead and just post this right here..."World's Most Innovative" (yes, includes more than tech companies, but wow), absolutely DOMINATED by US companies:http://www.forbes.com/innovative-companies/list/...again...http://www.technologyreview.com/lists/companies/2015/There are so many more links out there, and they all tell the same story.
coach d wrote:
This whole thread is an example of how little letsrun posters know about anything. There are, in fact, a large number of fast-growing tech companies all over Europe. All you have to do is look for them:
http://thenextweb.com/voice/2015/03/10/europes-fastest-growing-young-tech-companies-here-are-the-tech5-finalists/
Europe has had too many major wars and upheavals. Europe is a total mess and is not an environment for families, and science. Why else do Europeans flock to the US and live in slums as illegals.
Having worked in an M&A function at a tech company in the past 10 years, I can say that Europe produces a lot of very good/important tech companies, but more on the industrial side than consumer goods, so they are less known to the average American.
Tunney wrote:
One in four tech start-ups by immigrants maybe.
But the article doesn’t name the immigrants concerned, or more importantly, where they came from.
I guarantee they were precious few start-up coming from the flood of drug dealing criminals crossing our southern borders.
27% of Californians are foreign-born--higher than any other state in the country.
http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/quick-facts/all-states/foreign-born-population-percent#chartIf immigrants are bad for growth, California should be suffering more than any other state in the union.
But yet it is not. Amazing how that happens.
4runner wrote:
Tunney wrote:One in four tech start-ups by immigrants maybe.
But the article doesn’t name the immigrants concerned, or more importantly, where they came from.
I guarantee they were precious few start-up coming from the flood of drug dealing criminals crossing our southern borders.
27% of Californians are foreign-born--higher than any other state in the country.
http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/quick-facts/all-states/foreign-born-population-percent#chartIf immigrants are bad for growth, California should be suffering more than any other state in the union.
But yet it is not. Amazing how that happens.
Hey, Mr Anecdote still thinks he's making points here!! Haha!!
Wait, wait, wait, do you think California- the state as a whole- is doing well economically? Currently 43rd in the nation in unemployment at 6.3%. That is just wonderful. Right on par with Louisiana and New Mexico. Not as good as Alabama though. And remember, that figure is for LEGAL residents. Which really is the core of this idiotic point you keep trying to make; both sides are actually FOR productive, well-educated immigrants coming here legally. So stop trying to twist that weak point.
Anyhow, median income in Cali is down 10% from its 2006 peak, which is worse than the national average. And a final horrendous, absolutely deplorable statistic for such a fine, innovative, progressive state with pretty much the ideal topography and weather: as of 2013, Cali had a debt in excess of $600 BILLION. That was over TWICE the total of the state in second, which was New York of course. Outstanding bonds, unfunded pensions, and other budgetary gaps... Over $600B. And if you noticed, there have been more and more comments from the wealthy, celebrities (Bill F'n Maher?!), etc about how high the taxes are in the state. So that, and the fact that the ultra nice areas like SF, the Valley, nice LA suburbs, etc. have little-to-no middle class presence, makes it clear that it is not a thriving economy being driven by the utopian liberal values and the infamous middle class.
Europe is conservative, slow, old fashioned, and lazy. All they do is sit ariound and collect welfare. Plus they smell bad, have terrible teeth and don't use laxatives before anal activities.
whyyoubesodumb wrote:
4runner wrote:27% of Californians are foreign-born--higher than any other state in the country.
http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/quick-facts/all-states/foreign-born-population-percent#chartIf immigrants are bad for growth, California should be suffering more than any other state in the union.
But yet it is not. Amazing how that happens.
Hey, Mr Anecdote still thinks he's making points here!! Haha!!
Wait, wait, wait, do you think California- the state as a whole- is doing well economically? Currently 43rd in the nation in unemployment at 6.3%. That is just wonderful. Right on par with Louisiana and New Mexico. Not as good as Alabama though. And remember, that figure is for LEGAL residents. Which really is the core of this idiotic point you keep trying to make; both sides are actually FOR productive, well-educated immigrants coming here legally. So stop trying to twist that weak point.
Anyhow, median income in Cali is down 10% from its 2006 peak, which is worse than the national average. And a final horrendous, absolutely deplorable statistic for such a fine, innovative, progressive state with pretty much the ideal topography and weather: as of 2013, Cali had a debt in excess of $600 BILLION. That was over TWICE the total of the state in second, which was New York of course. Outstanding bonds, unfunded pensions, and other budgetary gaps... Over $600B. And if you noticed, there have been more and more comments from the wealthy, celebrities (Bill F'n Maher?!), etc about how high the taxes are in the state. So that, and the fact that the ultra nice areas like SF, the Valley, nice LA suburbs, etc. have little-to-no middle class presence, makes it clear that it is not a thriving economy being driven by the utopian liberal values and the infamous middle class.
And I remember a time when it was confidentially declared that were California a country, it would be the 9th richest country in the world.
whyyoubesodumb wrote:
4runner wrote:27% of Californians are foreign-born--higher than any other state in the country.
http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/quick-facts/all-states/foreign-born-population-percent#chartIf immigrants are bad for growth, California should be suffering more than any other state in the union.
But yet it is not. Amazing how that happens.
Hey, Mr Anecdote still thinks he's making points here!! Haha!!
Wait, wait, wait, do you think California- the state as a whole- is doing well economically? Currently 43rd in the nation in unemployment at 6.3%. That is just wonderful. Right on par with Louisiana and New Mexico. Not as good as Alabama though. And remember, that figure is for LEGAL residents. Which really is the core of this idiotic point you keep trying to make; both sides are actually FOR productive, well-educated immigrants coming here legally. So stop trying to twist that weak point.
Anyhow, median income in Cali is down 10% from its 2006 peak, which is worse than the national average. And a final horrendous, absolutely deplorable statistic for such a fine, innovative, progressive state with pretty much the ideal topography and weather: as of 2013, Cali had a debt in excess of $600 BILLION. That was over TWICE the total of the state in second, which was New York of course. Outstanding bonds, unfunded pensions, and other budgetary gaps... Over $600B. And if you noticed, there have been more and more comments from the wealthy, celebrities (Bill F'n Maher?!), etc about how high the taxes are in the state. So that, and the fact that the ultra nice areas like SF, the Valley, nice LA suburbs, etc. have little-to-no middle class presence, makes it clear that it is not a thriving economy being driven by the utopian liberal values and the infamous middle class.
Ouch. My man 4runner just got served. Hard. Hard served. LOL
Tunney wrote:
whyyoubesodumb wrote:Hey, Mr Anecdote still thinks he's making points here!! Haha!!
Wait, wait, wait, do you think California- the state as a whole- is doing well economically? Currently 43rd in the nation in unemployment at 6.3%. That is just wonderful. Right on par with Louisiana and New Mexico. Not as good as Alabama though. And remember, that figure is for LEGAL residents. Which really is the core of this idiotic point you keep trying to make; both sides are actually FOR productive, well-educated immigrants coming here legally. So stop trying to twist that weak point.
Anyhow, median income in Cali is down 10% from its 2006 peak, which is worse than the national average. And a final horrendous, absolutely deplorable statistic for such a fine, innovative, progressive state with pretty much the ideal topography and weather: as of 2013, Cali had a debt in excess of $600 BILLION. That was over TWICE the total of the state in second, which was New York of course. Outstanding bonds, unfunded pensions, and other budgetary gaps... Over $600B. And if you noticed, there have been more and more comments from the wealthy, celebrities (Bill F'n Maher?!), etc about how high the taxes are in the state. So that, and the fact that the ultra nice areas like SF, the Valley, nice LA suburbs, etc. have little-to-no middle class presence, makes it clear that it is not a thriving economy being driven by the utopian liberal values and the infamous middle class.
And I remember a time when it was confidentially declared that were California a country, it would be the 9th richest country in the world.
It's actually much higher now. Over the last 2 years, that ~$600B number is now $778B. Within 3 years, it'll likely hit one TRILLION dollars. Wow. Are they even trying to manage their finances? (You could ask this about most states actually, but California takes it to another level. Odd for such an innovative state with so many rich people.)
Actually even worse wrote:
It's actually much higher now. Over the last 2 years, that ~$600B number is now $778B. Within 3 years, it'll likely hit one TRILLION dollars. Wow. Are they even trying to manage their finances? (You could ask this about most states actually, but California takes it to another level. Odd for such an innovative state with so many rich people.)
Sorry, forgot the link:
http://www.statebudgetsolutions.org/publications/detail/state-budget-solutions-fourth-annual-state-debt-reportWhat a dumb question. Europe doesn't have a clue on what civilization is let alone high techonology.
US of Europe wrote:
Creative destruction wrote:So how is it that while the U.S. produces literally dozens of innovative, valuable hardware and software companies every year, Europe hasn't even managed to develop 1 in 10 years?
Linus Torvalds is Finnish and wrote Linux.
HAHAHA!
Torvalds wrote a tiny part of a unix system started by Americans in the early 80s. Read about FSF and get a clue.