In Their Primes: Kenenisa vs Asbel 2400m

ventolin, what do you think farah is capable of in a 3k right now?

I'd love to see a rabbited 3k right now with farah, kiprop, gebremeskel, and a few others

klay wrote:ventolin, what do you think farah is capable of in a 3k right now?

I'd love to see a rabbited 3k right now with farah, kiprop, gebremeskel, and a few others

mo ran 3'28.9 which was in a vacuum !!!

Asbel was gone already at 200 & mo paced maloofi/iguider/etc who weren't brave enough to go out in suicidal 53.9 as Asbel did, so let mo pace them !?

mo musta been extremely p!ssed to drag those chumps around, but mo had guts to run his own race

he ran 3'28.9 with no drafting from 200 - bell

that is worth with drafting to bell ~

~ 3'27.3 !!!

call it at even-pace :

3'27.0

if he'd been paced to bell

i'm not going to comment about his 3k potential other than his 400 speed coud be anywhere between : 49+

ok

3'27.0

with my best guess

49.25 ->

1'44.74

4'42.48 !!

7'17.40 !!!

12'37.75!!

26'33.50

go laugh

IMO

mo is quantum leap better than '13 despite all that huge M training in '14

in monaco, he was capable, off perfect, even, drafted pace to 2k & solo last 1k as in "classic" 3k tt of

7'17.40 !!!

ventolin^3 wrote:in monaco, he was capable, off perfect, even, drafted pace to 2k & solo last 1k as in "classic" 3k tt of

7'17.40 !!!

yes

even i felt queasy posting that, but that is what logic indicates

there is likely no chance of Salazar posting here or mo, so i'll post what the "scientists" they may employ may say to them

screw that :

i saw race on tv, i saw mo run 3'28.9 virtually solo

he is in shape of

7'17.40 !!!

Farah's most notable TT performance is his 8:03 2 mile, achieved in an actual indoor vacuum. 7:25 is a more realistic 3k prediction. 7:17 is ridiculous. Komens mile time is nearly as impressive as Farah's 1500 and his 3k, outdoor 2 mile, and 5k blow Farah out of the water. No one currently on the scene is touching that 7:20.Farah is the 2011-2015?? version of 2000 to 2007 lagat. A versatile, high motor, tactical master. Farah also has add'l road racing credentials. But for many reasons, mentality being the main one, Farah has not so far shown the capability to attack el g, komen, hg, tergat, bekele TT territory.

ventolin^3 wrote:

ventolin^3 wrote:in monaco, he was capable, off perfect, even, drafted pace to 2k & solo last 1k as in "classic" 3k tt of

7'17.40 !!!

yes

even i felt queasy posting that, but that is what logic indicates

there is likely no chance of Salazar posting here or mo, so i'll post what the "scientists" they may employ may say to them

screw that :

i saw race on tv, i saw mo run 3'28.9 virtually solo

he is in shape of

7'17.40 !!!

Morceli would defeat Mo in any race 3000m or less.

I give Mo a 7:21, for me to have him breaking the WR (7:20) I'd like to see him run a 3:27 low 1500m

He was indeed a pace maker for Iguider/Mack Daddy, kinda like Simpson in the W 1500m for Rowbury/Muir

I think the fact that people think he can only go 7:25-7:28 is absurd

NOP Skeptic wrote:

I think the fact that people think he can only go 7:25-7:28 is absurd

It is absurd to think he can go faster. He clearly cannot.

as a fan i'd rather see farah in the 1500/5k at worlds. the 10 is usually such a walk in the park for him til the last 400. with a lot of the top guys going to the marathon instead of 10k and the abundance of pretty good milers right now that would be a lot more interesting

Fftyrgu wrote:

NOP Skeptic wrote:

I think the fact that people think he can only go 7:25-7:28 is absurd

It is absurd to think he can go faster. He clearly cannot.

If it's so clear, I'm sure you wouldn't mind explaining how a 3:28 performer with 2 world/1 Oly golds can't crack 7:25 in the right race.

soooo clear wrote:

Fftyrgu wrote:

It is absurd to think he can go faster. He clearly cannot.

If it's so clear, I'm sure you wouldn't mind explaining how a 3:28 performer with 2 world/1 Oly golds can't crack 7:25 in the right race.

Only Komen and El G have broken 7:25 for 3000M

7:25 is where HG, Morceli, Bekele all planed out despite multiple efforts at the distance. Morceli was a superior 1500M runner to Farah and HG and Bekele were far superior 5k TTers at their peak. That makes it unlikely that Farah would surpass either three of those all-time greats performances at 3000 M.

Moreover, Mo Farah is 32 and he's not likely to get significantly faster in pure ability. HIs current 3000 PR is 7:33 but his 8:03 indoor two mile is the better mark. That 8:03 is equivalent to a 7:29 3k but giving 2 seconds for the switch to outdoor and 2 seconds for summer peaking that results in a 7:25.

Komen's 7:20.67 Outdoor 3000 M WR is 4.23 seconds faster than his indoor 7:24.90 3000 M WR, so I think the 7:25 prediction for Farah is pretty fair.

That's my explanation. 7:24.9x in perfect conditions, maybe. But I still say there is no way he ever touches Komen's mark. The world champ and oly hardware is impressive but it isn't particularly relevant to his TT ability.

Ventolin, even you don't believe such nonsense. You think Farah was better than ElG? Don't be ridiculous.

does anyone seriously doubt mo couda run 3'27-low in monaco if he'd had set of pacers for himself instead of effectively running solo 3'28.9

it is one of the most impressive runs i have ever seen

then think : if a 3k/5k guy ( who's pretty good at 10k ) is in 3'27-low shape, what on earth shape woud he be for 3k which is likely his best distance ?

may i add, i doubt Komen was in better than 3'30 shape when he ran 7'20

mo is likely nearly 3s faster over 1500 than Komen was in '96

with his superb endurance tacked onto 3'27-low speed, those are ingredients for an incredible 3k

incredible 3k means region of 7'17+

hicham had a messed up 3k :

he got rubbish pacing : too slow/too fast or vice-versa from what i remember

he wouda run 7'20/7'21 that day if he'd got proper pacing

remember, hicham at time had nowhere like mo's 5k or 10k endurance & even his 1500 in '99 wasn't much faster than mo's currently if mo had pacers for just him in monaco ( something salazar shouda paid for )