Mo Farah Has Broken 13:00 The Same Number of Times as Chris Solinsky

symbols wrote:

Three times.

I'll bet that makes him cry over his medal polishing.

Mo has raced in 6 championship races since he became the world's best: the 5000m/10,000m double in the '11 and '13 WCs as well as the '12 Olympics. He was outkicked in one of those races (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U28-AOrmT6c).

For those of you who are not as smart as me, that means that he has been outkicked 16.67% of the time when it counts. Comparatively, it seems as though there is a 0% chance that someone beats him by making it an "honest race". After all, he has gone 3:28 and 59:32. No one on the circuit currently can beat him in a TT 5000m or 10,000m.

Some of you may disagree with that last sentence, but you are wrong. It is clear that the athletes themselves agree with what I am saying. It really isn't that hard to figure out. They believe a sit and kick is there best shot even if it is a slim shot. They are correct. Those who disagree do not understand running.

*their, before the grammar nazis get after me

Sit & kick is the best tactic to appeal to the short-attention spanned modern fan. It means we can browse facebook, watch youtube vids and do some snapchat without missing any of the racing, and only need to pay attention to the last 50-55 seconds. This is about the maximum concentration time anyone born after 1990 can manage.

You cant blame Mo for his sit and kick wins. I would pay to see Mo race a prime Bekele in a championship race winding up from way out. The fact is no one is willing to try and make championship races honest and they are almost conceded before they are even run as Mo clearly has the best kick and with 3.28 pace you simply arent going to beat him by running outside 13.30 with a last lap burn up.

The last few championships i have wished that the Ethiopians would work as a team and attempt to run the kick out of the race but no one ever has. Was it 2012 when gebremeskel and gebrihwet were both in sub 12.4x shape? yet they still didnt try and take the race to Mo?

I very much doubt Farah is botherdd how many times he has broken 13.00 when hes won 3 world champs gold and one silver as well as being double olympic gold medalist. He has proven he is an incredible racer and he is also consistently putting away extremely talented runners between 1500-hm

He wont run fast at the UK diamond league because no one ever seems to run quick in England.

mk29 wrote:

He wont run fast at the UK diamond league because no one ever seems to run quick in England.

Probably because the track is actually 400 meters. Wake up, sheeple.

TDodd22 wrote:

In the modern era, championship racing comes down to tactics 90% of the time. This is because athletes think that it is more impressive to win a 1500 in 3:45 with a 51 second last lap rather than place 3rd with a 3:31, and run a 55 second last lap. It's purely idiotic.

Well typically when you know your opponent can OUT RUN you AND OUT KICK you, you're best bet is to try and out kick them

With out running them, if you're not physiologically able to run the same time they can at the same distance then you're probably not going to win trying to stay with them

It's better for you if its a sit and kick, cause even though they will most likely out kick you, they may not have it THAT DAY, you're playing cards

Those 12:46-12:53 Kenyans/Ethiopians make it a sit and kick race, the 13:05-13:15 guys don't mind, yes the 12:46-12:53 guys have a better kick, but if you mess around and get lucky, who knows you might find yourself a couple spots up, especially if you can close in a 3:55-4:00 off of a sub 2:50k pace

The thing I haven't understood is there's 3 Kenyan's and 3 Ethiopians, why don't the teams alternate laps of 62's (12:55 pace), maybe every 800m? They all have that sub-12:55 ability, will Farah still win? Idk maybe, but you're still putting him out of his comfort zone...

I DO THINK Mo Farah can run 12:45, I DONT KNOW if he can close faster than a 55 running 12:45, even a guys like Gebremeskel/Gebrehewit closed in a 54 running 12:46/47, Alameriw has closed in 53 running 12:54, so these guys can kick just as fast whether they run sub 13 or 13:30, why not team up and make the past honest at Worlds?

162430 wrote:

". After all, he has gone 3:28 and 59:32. No one on the circuit currently can beat him in a TT 5000m or 10,000m.

Some of you may disagree with that last sentence, but you are wrong.

No, we are not wrong if we disagree with that sentence.

3:28 means he has more speed than them. Sure. But 59:32 doesn't mean much as far as 5k/10k ability goes. That is almost 2 minutes slower than what Bekele could have run in his prime 5k/10k shape. Farah in his championship shape would find it difficult to run much under 12:50 and 26:45.

The problem is that the competition can barely show up in 13:10 or 27:00 shape. Look at that 5k he won a couple weeks ago in Lausanne. He's racing a bunch of nobodies. Those guys got gapped by 10-20+ seconds in a 13:11 race. That should be embarrassing for them and Farah. But Farah is so weak that he is content with it.

With that said, I guess your sentence was correct but not for the reason you stated. No one can keep up with him in a time trial 5k or 10k because they are awful not because Farah has good 5k or 10k ability.

Bekele could run 57:30 lol. I think that invalidates anything else you said quite comprehensively.

Ah yes the nobodies at Lausanne:

KEJELCHA 12:58

SOI 12:51

EDRIS 12:54

ALAMIREW 12:48

Competition dodging indeed. Ndiku fell but I'd be surprised if he beat Farah that night.

ok grandpa wrote:

TurdLoper wrote:

Wrong. You're a millennial--that much is obvious. Racing is racing. Siting and kicking is not racing.

Ad hominem attacks, must be a letsrunner.

You'd think with all of your age and wisdom you'd know better than to try to prove your point through petty attacks.

Hi, HardLoper! :-)

ok u win wrote:

Bekele could run 57:30 lol. I think that invalidates anything else you said quite comprehensively.

Ah yes the nobodies at Lausanne:

KEJELCHA 12:58

SOI 12:51

EDRIS 12:54

ALAMIREW 12:48

Competition dodging indeed. Ndiku fell but I'd be surprised if he beat Farah that night.

How is your reading comprehension that bad?

I didn't say Bekele could run 57:30. I said almost 2 minutes faster than 59:30. That meant 57:30-58:00. If you saw how the crazy splits in the half records, then you would agree Bekele could have run such a time.

Yes, a bunch of nobodies. Lifetime PRs are irrelevant. Those guys did not show up anywhere near those shapes except maybe Kejelcha (who at 12:58 is a nobody). Why are you lying?

Soi: 13:17

Edris:13:19

Alamirew:13:22

That is competition dodging.

Yogee wrote:

Yes, a bunch of nobodies. Lifetime PRs are irrelevant. Those guys did not show up anywhere near those shapes except maybe Kejelcha (who at 12:58 is a nobody). Why are you lying?

Soi: 13:17

Edris:13:19

Alamirew:13:22

That is competition dodging.

Please - provide me the list of competitors who are running 12:40 and 26:20 that Mo keeps dodging race after race. Who are these mystery runners you keep speaking about? Because I'm trying to find the other races that Mo could run, and I don't see any from this past week (year) that are more competitive than this one.

You people are insane.

The Dingo wrote:

Yogee wrote:

Yes, a bunch of nobodies. Lifetime PRs are irrelevant. Those guys did not show up anywhere near those shapes except maybe Kejelcha (who at 12:58 is a nobody). Why are you lying?

Soi: 13:17

Edris:13:19

Alamirew:13:22

That is competition dodging.

Please - provide me the list of competitors who are running 12:40 and 26:20 that Mo keeps dodging race after race. Who are these mystery runners you keep speaking about? Because I'm trying to find the other races that Mo could run, and I don't see any from this past week (year) that are more competitive than this one.

You people are insane.

Um where did I "keep speaking" about "mystery runners" who can run 12:40 and 26:20?? I'll answer that for you. Nowhere did I say any of that. That makes you the insane one. You're literally making things up and then arguing with them.

The other races Mo could run are the 1500. No, not just once per year. It should be his main event because the competition is better and his times are better in it.

Do you not agree that guys getting gapped by 10-20 seconds in a 13:12 race is ridiculous? That shouldn't even be considered competition.

Yogee wrote:

Um where did I "keep speaking" about "mystery runners" who can run 12:40 and 26:20?? I'll answer that for you. Nowhere did I say any of that. That makes you the insane one. You're literally making things up and then arguing with them.

The other races Mo could run are the 1500. No, not just once per year. It should be his main event because the competition is better and his times are better in it.

Do you not agree that guys getting gapped by 10-20 seconds in a 13:12 race is ridiculous? That shouldn't even be considered competition.

It was a rhetorical question... You didn't speak about them because they don't exist.

Mo is racing the best in the world at 5k and 10k. I agree they're in bad form if they can't run 13:10, but how's he to know that a bunch of 12:50 guys aren't going to show up?

I said this in another thread. His time is better in the 1500 because those races are above his ability. He's never lost a 5k or 10k slower than his PR.

If he ran what most suspect he's capable of, 12:40-12:45, would you then say he's better at the 5k than 1500? I would. In fact, he'd be the 4th fastest 5000m runner of all time. His 3:28.8, which he's proven is his max potential (Bad Wigins suggests he's not even a 3:30 guy!), puts him at 8th all time in the 1500. That's damn impressive for a 5k guy, the main point of this sentence being that he's a 5k guy, not a 1500 guy.

So Farah should stop winning races in order to get "better times". Only on letsrun.

Yogee wrote:

[quote]The Dingo wrote:

[quote]Yogee wrote:

Yes, a bunch of nobodies. Lifetime PRs are irrelevant. Those guys did not show up anywhere near those shapes except maybe Kejelcha (who at

Um where did I "keep speaking" about "mystery runners" who can run 12:40 and 26:20?? I'll answer that for you. Nowhere did I say any of that. That makes you the insane one. You're literally making things up and then arguing with them.

The other races Mo could run are the 1500. No, not just once per year. It should be his main event because the competition is better and his times are better in it.

Do you not agree that guys getting gapped by 10-20 seconds in a 13:12 race is ridiculous? That shouldn't even be considered competition.

I see so by 'almost 2 minutes' you didn't mean 57:30, how idiotic of me. In fact, you meant 57:30 to 58:00. ok.

In 2012 there was 6 guys sub 12:50 and 15 sub 13 but who won the Olympics? Please tell me gold medals don't count in 10 years. Who will remember the 12:46 WL in 2012.

Maybe someone can enlighten me but where has there ever been a field of 5000m guys all running 12:40 that the great Bekele, Gebrselassie, Komen and El G have despatched?

I'm also interested to know, if Farah ran 12:42 this year, what would people say? Would he still be a competition dodging 1500m runner that can't run fast over 5k and won his medals by accident?

TDodd22 wrote:

... athletes think that it is more impressive to win a 1500 in 3:45 with a 51 second last lap rather than place 3rd with a 3:31, and run a 55 second last lap.

I'd say actual athletes probably know it is more impressive to run from the front and fade to a fast time than to win in a slow time. However, 98 percent of the public does not. To them winning is winning, and so sponsors, prize money, endorsements all go to the winner rather than the third guy who tried really really hard.

Except in women's hurdles. In that it's looks.

Truth is, 6 of the fastest 15 men ALL TIME over 5000m, including 3 of the top 10, could offer no match for Farah, in their peak year of 2012.

Only 3 guys have gone sub 12:45 ever, and those 3 are also the only ones sub 12:40 (and curiously none of these are accused of doping here).

Farah could definitely slot into 4th place all time over 5000m and I bet even then he'd be called a failure lol.

Watching The Detectives wrote:

So Farah should stop winning races in order to get "better times".

Only on letsrun.

Why is the reading ability on this website so bad? Show me where I said Farah should stop winning races in order to get "better times".