Dr. Jeffrey Brown's online patient reviews -- poor diagnosis and sexual harrassment

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8 years ago 07/01/2015 5:10pm EDT

re: skeptic here

skeptic here wrote:
2nd options are best. wrote:
He would be squeezing the nipples looking for milk discharge due to possibly high levels of Prolactin. I'd be willing to bet that the female complaining about him touching her breast was having issues with amenorrhea or infertility.
"To find the cause of abnormal nipple discharge, or if a woman is not having periods (amenorrhea) or if a woman is having a hard time becoming pregnant (infertile)"
Why do I know this? My wife was having infertility issues and saw Dr. Brown a few years back. She complained about her breast being sore afterwards because he was squeezing them so hard. She had a ton of blood work done that ultimately showed high Prolactin levels and 6 months later my wife is pregnant with our first girl.
http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/prolactin-15129
Remove the blinders boys, it's not all about Thyroid Diagnosis... I'm not saying that he doesn't "help" out Salazar with his athletes needs, but to come on here and say he is sexually harassing his patients is ridiculous. We saw many doctors over multiple years until we saw Dr. Brown and his first diagnosis allowed us to have children. It was expensive and we had to pay cash up front which was close to $3,000, but we would pay it again and again if needed.
Forgive me, but I'm having a real hard time believing a regular LetsRunner just happened to see this one doctor, and Dr. Brown just happened to solve his wife's infertility issues in such a way as to also refute someone else's harassment claim.
I don't put much stock in online doctor reviews- patients can say whatever they want, they could be angry about payment issues or have a misunderstanding, and doctors can't really defend themselves - but your story also smacks of BS.

Doesn't Rupp have twins?

8 years ago 07/01/2015 5:15pm EDT

re: dr jerry brown of california

Pics of the boobs or it didn't happen.

8 years ago 07/01/2015 5:16pm EDT

re: Neutral Observertard

Neutral Observertard wrote:
2nd options are best. wrote:
If someone is going to make doctors out to be the scum of the earth "United States of We F$%k Our Sick and Elderly" then they should become doctor and change the world.
Do you have an aversion to making rational arguments?

0/10 You are trying to hard...

8 years ago 07/01/2015 5:23pm EDT

re: 2nd options are best.

2nd options are best. wrote:
Neutral Observertard wrote:
Do you have an aversion to making rational arguments?
0/10 You are trying to hard...

You're not. You don't even check your spelling before posting.

8 years ago 07/01/2015 8:21pm EDT

re: Neutral Observertard

If Salazar is continuing to refer athletes to Brown and Brown is continuing to treat them, they have done nothing wrong. If the professional relationship has now ended, something unethical or probably illigal happened.

Salazar, as merely a running coach, will be able to pled ignorance in the unauthorized testing of testosterone on his children. But, Brown has been trained on the ethics and standards of medical research. He also knows the procedure for prescribing medications for health purposes only. His medical license is on the line here. He's going to try blame it all on Salazar. However, Salazar has emails to back up his side of the story (idiot running coach directed by MD who should have stopped him, not encouraged him).

8 years ago 07/01/2015 8:44pm EDT

re: Neutral Observertard

Neutral Observertard wrote:
2nd options are best. wrote:
0/10 You are trying to hard...
You're not. You don't even check your spelling before posting.

-10/10 for resorting to grammar to win an argument. Just getting pathetic now.....

8 years ago 07/03/2015 12:26pm EDT

re: dr jerry brown of california

For what it is worth, probably standard stuff for an endocrinologist, but some of our favourite products are on the list:):

https://projects.propublica.org/docdollars/doctors/pid/200672/

8 years ago 07/03/2015 1:12pm EDT

re: some more oil for the fire

Good ol' Dr Brown doesn't buy the stuff for Salazar. Salazar pays him to write prescriptions only: just a few are needed. Salazar --actually his secret intermediaries-- buy as much of the prescription as Salazar thinks he needs to spread around for all to enjoy.

8 years ago 07/03/2015 2:58pm EDT

re: not a doctor but married to 1

not a doctor but married to 1 wrote:
2nd options are best. wrote:
If someone is going to make doctors out to be the scum of the earth "United States of We F$%k Our Sick and Elderly" then they should become doctor and change the world.
Can you seriously not see the difference between (1) charging for your medical diagnosis/treatment and (2) raking in dollars by only allowing tests to be done at specific facilities not covered by patient's insurance so you can get paid more?
It's a money grab, pure and simple.
No one is saying doctors are the scum of the earth. Who said that? A doctor's salary pays the bills in my household. But it's super scummy to make patients pay more for the same thing so DOC can make extra money.

Plus, if he's capable of doing this and getting away w/it then what's he doing w/Salazar's famous group who is/was willing to pay top notch for his services? I would also be curious what other Olympic athletes have seen him besides Salazar's group.

8 years ago 07/03/2015 3:28pm EDT

re: Makes you wonder...

Hopefully, the USADA investigation goes beyond Salazar, Rupp, Farah, and the USADA works with other officials to put Dr Brown on the burner as well. Prying a list of all patient names out of the Dr, and reviewing the test results of athletes, would out a lot more people who were claimed to have thyroid issues but actually don't.

8 years ago 07/03/2015 3:47pm EDT

re: multiple complaints

If you ever look up online patient comments about hospitals, clinics, and doctors, you will see a slew of very negative comments, all part of the very negative and often fruitless, expensive, and mysterious process of claims and counter-claims (among different doctors) involved in getting health care in this country. There's nothing special about his online reviews. That doesn't make him a good or a bad doctor necessarily.

8 years ago 07/03/2015 3:54pm EDT

re: Makes you wonder...

Makes you wonder... wrote:
I would also be curious what other Olympic athletes have seen him besides Salazar's group.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887323550604578412913149043072

WSJ wrote:
"The patients I've treated have won 15 Olympic gold medals," said Brown.

I suspect that he's being intentional misleading here -- he wants readers to see "15 Olympic Gold medalists" when in fact Carl Lewis alone won nine Golds.

WSJ wrote:
among those who have publicly acknowledged being treated for thyroid problems by Brown or unnamed other physicians are American runners Ryan Hall, Galen Rupp, Amy Yoder Begley, Bob Kennedy and Patrick Smyth.

All in this group but Smyth are Olympians. Hall and Kennedy didn't confirm that they've seen Brown, but the others did:

WSJ wrote:
Rupp declined to comment, but said publicly in 2006 that Brown diagnosed him as hypothyroid. Hall and Lewis didn't respond to requests for comment. Begley said she remains a patient of Brown's because "he's the most thorough endocrinologist I've ever seen." Kennedy, now retired, said he never received performance benefits from hypothyroid medication.

I wonder why so many people seem unwilling to talk about such an ostensibly benign subject. Hall is generally media-accessible. Salazar has a long history of rigidly minimizing and controlling his athletes' interaction with the media, so Rupp's reticence here is de rigueur.

WSJ wrote:
Jeffrey Garber, American College of Endocrinology president, said hypothyroidism increasingly is being diagnosed in people who don't have it, by endocrinologists whom Garber labeled as "alternative." "The alternative crowd is saying, 'Gee, this is why you're not feeling better, because these [mainstream] doctors are clueless,' " Garber said.
Even within the camp arguing for a broader definition of hypothyroidism, Brown stands apart for diagnosing it in young athletes. It's unclear exactly how many elite athletes are being treated for thyroid disorders, but of the 30 athletes who have trained with Salazar as part of Nike's elite team of distance runners, he said that five—or 17% --have been diagnosed with hypothyroidism. In a specialty accustomed to treating older women, Brown calls himself a pioneer for finding hypothyroidism in young athletes.
Comparing himself with a television doctor known for a dogged determination in finding the right diagnosis, Brown said, "I'm like that guy House on TV. I'm like a detective."

I like that last quote. Right, and I knocked this bully's glasses off his face second grade with a nice open-handed slap, so I'm "like that guy Rocky Balboa in the movies. I'm like a boxer."

8 years ago 07/03/2015 8:44pm EDT

re: 2nd options are best.

2nd options are best. wrote:
Neutral Observertard wrote:
You're not. You don't even check your spelling before posting.
-10/10 for resorting to grammar to win an argument. Just getting pathetic now.....

Have you reread your first couple of "arguments"? You didn't give me much to work with. Your arguments didn't make any sense, which is why everyone on this thread is disagreeing with you. It is also why we have the the worst healthcare system among all developed (and several less developed) nations.

8 years ago 07/03/2015 9:12pm EDT

re: Brown Stain

Brown Stain wrote:
Salazar, as merely a running coach, will be able to pled ignorance in the unauthorized testing of testosterone on his children.

??? It's not against the law. Ok, maybe it is, but there's no penalty. If there were a penalty, 3/4 of the D1 NCAA ball sports programs would be felons by now.

Ask Chris Carmichael how much doping teenage cyclists, not even his kid, harmed his "coaching" career.

The IOC and IAAF are perfectly okay with doping children.

8 years ago 07/03/2015 10:05pm EDT

re: Gina Gershon

Gina Gershon wrote:
You wouldn't want a guy who looks like this going to town on your funbags?
http://www.houstonendocrinology.com/brownmd.html

He looks like a young and skinny George Kennedy

8 years ago 07/03/2015 11:32pm EDT

re: Neutral Observertard

Neutral Observertard wrote:
2nd options are best. wrote:
-10/10 for resorting to grammar to win an argument. Just getting pathetic now.....
Have you reread your first couple of "arguments"? You didn't give me much to work with. Your arguments didn't make any sense, which is why everyone on this thread is disagreeing with you. It is also why we have the the worst healthcare system among all developed (and several less developed) nations.

-100/10 for being a desperate troll...

8 years ago 07/04/2015 1:53am EDT

re: 2nd options are best.

Kara must have given him a great review. Since she recommended Dr. Brown to Alberto.

8 years ago 07/04/2015 2:17am EDT

re: DR Feel Good

NOPe. Salazar knew Brown for long time. He took Rupp to get thyroid in early 2006.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?id=2433362

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