I can't be the only one who thinks Caitlyn Jenner looks like what Kara Goucher will look like in a few years.....
I can't be the only one who thinks Caitlyn Jenner looks like what Kara Goucher will look like in a few years.....
???????? wrote:
Over 250 post and there is still no answer on who was threatened and by who. There are so many people posting like they know everything someone should be able to answer this.
"...who was threatened by whom."
No one was actually threatened. It's another fabrication.
That's because wrote:
No one was actually threatened. It's another fabrication.
Do you enjoy making declarations about things that you know nothing about?
That's because wrote:
No one was actually threatened. It's another fabrication.
NOPe. The claim is true. You'll find out after the USADA completes the investigation.
What was the threat and who made it?
The Donger wrote:
What was the threat and who made it?
Is it your belief that I am Kara Goucher?
If yes, you are an idiot.
If no, then you are asking the wrong person...and you are an idiot.
Karas Nose wrote:
Sure thing...
In linking to Salazar's own patently dishonest screed, you've done the equivalent of citing the Bible to prove the existence of the Christian deity. Because of this, I was prepared to dismiss you as an everyday troll in a field of dozens.
Because you clearly went to a lot of trouble, though, highlighting passages here and there, you obviously are among the incurious skimmers who actually believes the dreck Salazar presents. And that's actually a real problem.
KMB wrote:
Karas Nose wrote:1) She lied about when she got the Cytomel bottle.
Please link to a source that establishes exactly when Alberto gave her this bottle.
Why don't YOU link us to "a source that establishes exactly when Alberto gave her this bottle" ?? You seem to be taking Kara's word as gospel. You've repeatedly asserted that Kara is telling the truth here, and that Salazar is purposefully confusing the dates as some "bait and switch." Where is your proof of this? Oh, right, you just know. Thanks, that's worth a ton.
KMB wrote:
"3)She was misleading about Galen's Brussells AR."
Misleading in what way? Did she lie and say he only ran 24 laps? Speculating that it was unlikely that an athlete who'd been feeling shitty could rebound fast enough to run as well as Rupp did in Belgium is not lying. At worst, it's being wrong.
"Misleading" might be the wrong word, but your characterization of her claim is not accurate either: she didn't just "speculate" that Rupp's performance in Brussells was "unlikely", in fact, she suggested is was fairly hard proof that he was doping because, she claimed, that what Rupp did "you DON'T do", "that's not how it works." In other words: Rupp's performance was simply beyond any physiological reality, certainly a drug-induced sham. That was her assertion and you know it. I'd love to look at either Adam's or Kara's race history and see if they ever ran a fantastic race a few weeks after stating they felt burned out. I bet you 100% it likely happened to one or both of them.
KMB wrote:only someone already convinced of Alberto's rectitude would....
And you sir have your head so far up Kara's "rectitude" that you'll believe anything they say.
Salazar may be lying. But nothing the Gouchers have said is even minor proof of a doping program.
LOL ... got you. I'm a PR tool who is paid to hate all people who hate NOP.
Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:
Why don't YOU link us to "a source that establishes exactly when Alberto gave her this bottle" ?? You seem to be taking Kara's word as gospel. You've repeatedly asserted that Kara is telling the truth here, and that Salazar is purposefully confusing the dates as some "bait and switch." Where is your proof of this? Oh, right, you just know. Thanks, that's worth a ton.
Salazar has been untruthful both in his "letter" and with regard to various other things over the years (check out the thread from 2006 someone dug up today --
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=1469164). I have no reason to believe that Kara would lie about something so mundane, nor do I have any special reason to trust her. So it comes down to whether to believe an established serial liar or or a neutral party.
Add to this what I noted previously about Salazar's own "proof" that he was happy with Kara's weight during her Boston build-up (below) and I have my reasons for believing what I do.
Her nutritionist even said on March 25 of that year: "The plan is to work off [ ] every month. I believe based on how things are going, she will have another [ ] by Boston that will naturally come off." (The [ ]s represent redacted numbers.)
Salazar responds with "I don't want her shooting for something she can't hit." That's not the same as insisting that he's happy with her weight. I have overweight friends trying to slim down and I wouldn't want them being unrealistic about the pace at which they can do it. And this is the full extent of Salazar's supposed acceptance of Kara's size at the time.
At the very end of the exchange with the nutritionist he even adds, "she was [ ] the week before at Nike so she's plateaued a little." Why would a coach who was okay with her weight say such a thing? Hell, in his own bullet point in his "open letter" he states that "I fully supported Karas efforts and did not want her to lose weight more quickly (emphasis mine)"
The idea that Kara's weight was unquestionably a dead issue for Salazar at the time resides only in the heads of people who cannot or refuse to read Salazar's own words.
Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:
"Misleading" might be the wrong word, but your characterization of her claim is not accurate either: she didn't just "speculate" that Rupp's performance in Brussells was "unlikely", in fact, she suggested is was fairly hard proof that he was doping
That's how I took it as well, but in my response to "Karas Nose" I was noting, contrary to what he claimed, that Kara was not lying about this.
Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:
And you sir have your head so far up Kara's "rectitude" that you'll believe anything they say.
Good one! (I like "rectum! Damn near KILLED 'em!" better myself.) But if you're ascribing my criticism of Salazar to a love of Kara, you need to do better than that and explain what I've said that fails the bullshit test.
Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:
Salazar may be lying. But nothing the Gouchers have said is even minor proof of a doping program.
I absolutely agree. You're wrong to equate my stating that Kara Goucher hasn't been found to have lied in this fiasco with my stating that she has offered evidence that Salazar was running a full-scale doping operation. Had she done so already, I don't think we'd be having this little chat.
KMB wrote:
Karas Nose wrote:Sure thing...
In linking to Salazar's own patently dishonest screed, you've done the equivalent of citing the Bible to prove the existence of the Christian deity. Because of this, I was prepared to dismiss you as an everyday troll in a field of dozens.
Because you clearly went to a lot of trouble, though, highlighting passages here and there, you obviously are among the incurious skimmers who actually believes the dreck Salazar presents. And that's actually a real problem.
Of course he believes Salazar, intelligent people believe in evidence and logic and the Triune Christian God whose existence is testified by all of creation. Atheists (you apparently) and new agers (yoga and pro-sodomite marriage) just need to FEEL something is so for it to be so: "our truth."
Karas Nose wrote:
Madly Winking Anus wrote:The idiot you're responding to gave no examples of her supposed lying. This is because he can't. I don't know why people bother posting shit that eve they, as stupid people themselves, recognize as hopefully stupid.
1) She lied about when she got the Cytomel bottle.
2) She lied that Alberto thought she was fat before Boston.
3) She was misleading about Galen's Brussells AR.
4) She was misleading about the circumstances for her NOP departure.
And who knows what else.
Ding Ding Ding
DingoW wrote:
Karas Nose wrote:1) She lied about when she got the Cytomel bottle.
2) She lied that Alberto thought she was fat before Boston.
3) She was misleading about Galen's Brussells AR.
4) She was misleading about the circumstances for her NOP departure.
And who knows what else.
Ding Ding Ding
You must be so proud to write "Ding ding ding..." about something which is completely irrelevant.
Again!
Oh, but you did remember to change your name from 'Kevin52'. I guess you should get credit for that!
Whom-Ville Whom wrote:
The Donger wrote:What was the threat and who made it?
Is it your belief that I am Kara Goucher?
If yes, you are an idiot.
If no, then you are asking the wrong person...and you are an idiot.
You were the last post when I hit reply moron.
No suspicion on Jordan Hasay getting a inhaler for the first time in her life after working Saladbar for two weeks. Runs outrageously fast compared to her regional race a few weeks earlier. Then she looks emaciated runs really poorly. Other thing that no talks about is what is the most common cause of elite athletes getting hypogonadism? Anabolic steroid abuse. The other thing which blows my mind is how when you consider all of Galen's problems. He is lucky he can even function beyond a normal adult let alone be an Olympic medalist in on of the most brutal of all track events.
Whoadown wrote:
The other thing which blows my mind is how when you consider all of Galen's problems. He is lucky he can even function beyond a normal adult let alone be an Olympic medalist in on of the most brutal of all track events.
It does bring to mind a film in the "Weekend at Bernie's" franchise, except in this one Bernie manages to run 10 kilometers at 4:19 pace in between fun outings to his beach house.
KMB wrote:
MikeM wrote:If she came out with everything already, then it would appear that there is not going to be much of a case.
She has said on more than one occasion, in fact twice in the past four or five days, that she has more to tell.
MikeM wrote:
I am not being impatient, I said let's see about her response.
Which you want posted online hours ago.
MikeM wrote:
In fact, I would rather wait for USADA/WADA to come out with their findings once they have them.
Then feel free to tune her out.
MikeM wrote:
Kara or other people saying things at the US champs like 'people being threatened' without elaboration is both reckless and impatient. It is asking for public sympathy immediately from fans. That is impatient and characterizing things in the media a certain way to fit her story.
How is it "impatient" on Kara's part to say what she did? At worst you can accuse her of teasing you.
Kara going into detail about these threats on camera while still on-site at the championships, and in the immediate aftermath of her race, would have been far less wise than composing her thoughts and expanding on her statement a few days later, as she said she would. Or does that somehow strike you as implausible?
MikeM wrote:
If someone can't see that then they are blind.
Can't see what? (That's not a joke.)
MikeM wrote:
Finally, the allegations of doping are serious requiring more than a hand-written prescription, a conversation with Galen before his AR, and other heresay arguments...
Salazar's writing on a pill bottle doesn't constitute a prescription.
MikeM wrote:
....What has been presented by Kara to make you think Galen or Alberto did dope, especially after the response by Alberto. Also, she has yet to exclaim her TUEs or list of supplements. Why is that expected of others and not her, Adam, or anyone else making accusations?
You need to proofread your posts in order to make them intelligible.
Everything you just wrote signifies that which you claim not to harbor: garden-variety impatience.
MikeM wrote:
Where have I called her attention whore? Washed up? I am not sure, but her recent results indicate she is on the downward trend in terms of being relevant. In terms of defaming Adam or Kara, where have I done that.
I didn't say that you did. But in complaining that she fired the first shot, you appear to be excusing those who have done so, repeatedly and viciously.
MikeM wrote:
I can't certainly be responsible for others who post and if our commonality is we both think she is lying or exaggerating things, that is a very tacit link. So yes, the standard applies to all parties, so let us apply it equally and have Kara be as descriptive as Alberto and Galen are expected to be.
"Are expected to be" -- right. Since you brought it up, why isn't anyone mentioning that Salazar posting his thoughts on a Web site rather than talking to a reporter (or at least following up the former with the latter) is an act of sheer cowardice? Anyone can use a static Web page as a bully pulpit.
Imagine that to this point, Magness, the Gouchers, Stiner and the rest of Salazar's accusers had posted all of their suspicions on their personal Web pages but not given interviews, whereas Salazar had gone on televsion to discuss them.
Would people be calling Salazar a limelight-seeker? Nope.
Would they be screaming bloody murder at the lack of guts of the others? Undoubtedly.
If Salazar were as confident in his ability to refute the allegations as he pretends to be in his "open letter," he would have no problem talking to reporters about it. But he won't go on camera and the only reporter he talks to is his de facto spokesperson at the Oregonian. So please knock off the bullshit about Kara trying to manipulate the press and public opinion to her advantage -- you need to look in the opposite direction for a classic and undeniable example of this.
The point is they did post their suspicions to a TV source you dolt! So they went to USADA/WADA and after talking to them were not happy and then went to the media. How oblivious are you? They are absolutely using the media. Yeah, making claims at the USATF meet with not facts, that certainly isn't screaming for 'look at me...please believe me.' You my friend are obtuse. If Salazar is found to be guilty, then I hope he is banned. But if not, this whole media circus brought on by people WHO HAD ALREADY GONE TO USADA/WADA was entirely media driven because they hadn't gotten the result they wanted. So, as big of a prick as many people think Alberto is, rational people are not happy about the media circus that is surrounding this because it does seem more like a witch hunt/media circus/Soap Opera. So seriously, knock off your s**t and pull your head out of your butt. Not many people are liking the Gouchers right now and it has nothing to do with liking Alberto or the NOP. Has Magness been out in full force in the media? No. Hence no rip Steve M threads. Get that? Or is that just to understand?
MikeM wrote:
JockItch wrote:Who to believe. The reality none of us know! If a small portion of the posters here would take about five minutes and learn how USADA doping investigations work you could all save yourselves a lot of time.
So much talk of the need for conclusive evidence from one witness, I would imagine that those who have talked to USADA have been asked not to discuss the specifics of their claims or charges until after the USADA has completed its' investigation.
The "Truth" when it comes out could well be like the Armstrong Reasoned decision, or not. Like the Armstrong case that was investigated for years before the corner was turned and the dominoes began to fall. It could be that Salazar has under active investigation for years and people have been afraid to talk until now.
You do realize that the reason Lance was caught was nearly every other person on the team admitted to doping, right? So your assertion that mere speculation is sufficient is incorrect. They had admissions from everyone else. For people that make this out like the Lance Armstrong case didn't really read into that case or this one. Lance was openly criticizing US and world anti-doping agencies, Salazar was emailing them and seeking guidance. Same? Sure.
As others have stated, this is really taking away from the running that people are doing (seriously one of the best 1500s and Steeples in a while) I imagine it is tiresome for everyone not involved to be asked so many Q's. Although I agree with Nick Symmonds it is their job and they should have an opinion b/c if true some people have been gaming the system, but I wonder how they will feel if we fast forward this 4-6 months later and they are still getting asked tons of questions.
Kara having time to give her side is surely warranted, but her claim that 'people have been threatened' without saying who, with what, or giving any other evidence is not only nonsense it is drama-filled. If she is exaggerating any of this, then she will get what she gets. And as others have noted, it screams of hypocrisy that she works with them for years, is ok with all the NOP climate, but now all of a sudden is above it, never did anything (like take supplements, use altitude tents, etc), and now needs to stop it. I wonder what TUEs she has/had and what supplements she takes or has taken. I would like to know. Why is she or other former members somehow excluded?
No, the reason Lance got caught is because he pissed Floyd Landis off and Floyd had nothing left to lose. Lance kept Floyd's team from getting into the Tour of California when they legitimately should have been invited. Basically, he messed with the wrong crazy Mennonite dude.
Salazar will go down for the same reason; he steam rolls people and is a total Ahole. People will sink the own ship they are on just to see a hated captain go down with it.
If you're going to cheat, you need to be a nice person if you want to get away with it!
IF things get fully investigated, and that is a big IF because this stuff is truly small potatoes compared to Lance, I believe it will come to light that Kara and several others doped. Sure, they may have been told and/or believed that they had medical conditions that necessitated the use of medication to bring them to the "normal" range and enable them to compete on a level playing field. While there are others, I think Kara is willing to admit to that when the time comes (under oath, whatever).
Kara answered the interview question honestly and as if she was willing to admit to whatever she had done. Salazar, Rupp, Centro and Farah are evasive. I posted on another thread, there are clearly people who know what they did and know that the other side knows. So IF the screws really tighten, who will tell the whole truth?
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