Wow: Yet another allegation: Don Catlin: Alberto Salazar repeatedly asked for TUEs himself as an athlete he didn't need

I guess you will be the first person to volunteer to have Lance Armstrong coach your grandson's elite cycling career too :)

Once a cheat you are always a cheat.

Man Overboard wrote:

"innuendo"? wrote:

"innuendo"?

"Catlin claims that Salazar would repeatedly attempt to apply for medical exemptions later known as TUEs to use restricted treatments for conditions that Catlin deemed him not to suffer from. I used to be on the board that reviewed TUEs for the US Olympic Committee so if someone wanted a TUE they would write it up and I would review it, Catlin says.

...I said no."

Well...how long has Salazar been retired from active competition now? All this happened when??? a quarter century or more ago?!

People are just trying to throw as much mud against the wall to see what sticks.

I think it's called "building a case for prosecution" with the defendant having the "right of reply".

Oh brother. Yet another allegation of Salazar doing something that he has every right to do. How long is this going to last? Next thing you know we are going to hear disturbing allegations that Flagpole masturbated to a Shannon Tweed movie in the early 90s instead of reading Fortune magazine.

Telegraph wrote:

Exclusive: Mo Farah's coach 'used private firm to avoid test breaches', with top drugs expert Don Catlin 'on guard' over American since 1980s

Read, form and post your own opinions.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/mo-farah/11694959/Alberto-Salazar-faces-fresh-doping-claims.html

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olivary nucleus wrote:

“I used to be on the board that reviewed TUEs for the US Olympic Committee so if someone wanted a TUE they would write it up and I would review it,” Catlin says.

“The issue for me with Salazar has always been that he tried to get a TUE for all kinds of things. He was looking for TUEs where I didn’t think there was any reason and I denied all of them. It didn’t make any sense to me and I simply thought to myself that this is a person who is looking to try to find an edge some way or another. And so I said no.”

Devil Dog wrote:

Salazar tries to legally obtain a TUE, and is denied, and this makes him guilty? Even if he was purely trying to game the system, he was denied. No TUE was granted to TRY to game the system with.

Good point. One time I went into a bank with a squirt gun and a stocking (well, it was a pair of granny-panties -- soiled ones -- but never mind that) over my head, walked up to a teller and demanded all of the cash in her drawer. She replied, "Sorry, we don't keep cash at this branch of the bank." As I started to walk away disappointed, waving the urine-filled "gun" every which way, the teller must have pressed a secret button or something, because the lobby immediately became flooded with cops."

"HANDS ON YOUR HEAD AND DROP THE GUN, HOMO!" the cops screamed.

"But I didn't steal anything!" I protested. "And besides, I'm bisexual!"

The cops exchanged uneasy, sheepish glances at this, and then murmured, "Shit. He didn't actually take any money, so we gotta let him go." Which they did.

Some states have laws on the books about stuff like "attempted robbery" and "attempted murder," but not my own. And in the same spirit, even if Al Sal did his level best to cheat, he wasn't able to (in this instance, anyway) and his pristine reputation should therefore not be sullied.

Man Overboard wrote:

Well...how long has Salazar been retired from active competition now? All this happened when??? a quarter century or more ago?!

Idiot, Moron, Dolt. The claims are AFTER NOP was started. The requests were made by third party testing firm, and it so happens that Catlin determined the mass of requests were for Salazar.

From the link to the article that YOU DID NOT READ:

Don Catlin, one of the world’s leading anti-doping experts and founding father of drug-testing in sport, says he was shown a report commissioned by Salazar not long after the Nike Oregon Project coaching facility was established in 2001.

“I was asked to review a list of drugs tests that somebody had requested from a company that did testing,” Catlin said. “That person turned out to be Salazar. I just thought to myself he’s looking and checking to make sure that whatever he’s doing isn’t going to ring any bells.”

Extended Metatard wrote:

Some states have laws on the books about stuff like "attempted robbery" and "attempted murder," but not my own.

Therefore your state is: The State of Denial

.ryan foreman wrote:

Oh brother. Yet another allegation of Salazar doing something that he has every right to do. How long is this going to last?

Until he puts out an honest and defining statement?

Maybe this same Don Catlin will come forward and talk about what happened to the positive tests from the 1984 U.S. Olympic Trials - now that would be interesting.

That'd be the Don Catlin that Sports Illustrated did a story on in 2011 about how he/his lab had bungled (i.e., helped) Lance Armstrong samples and avoid detection for positives. And there were suggestions that Catlin was in cahoots with Lance. Interestingly, the SI story was written by none of than David Epstein. Didn't notice any mention of this in the UK story.

Of course, Catlin denied the SI story.

Man Overboard wrote:

Well...how long has Salazar been retired from active competition now? All this happened when??? a quarter century or more ago?!

People are just trying to throw as much mud against the wall to see what sticks.

It shows a mind set towards doping/gaining a competing edge through using drugs that would boost performance. How would this not be relevant to today's situation? It shows a clear pattern of behavior and now all of a sudden he is in a position of power that he doesn't need to ask anymore. He just does it in pretty unethical ways. I don't see how anyone who cares about this sport doesn't have a problem with this stuff. Keep your head in the sand buddy.

Trust me, I'm Jimmy Saville wrote:

That'd be the Don Catlin that Sports Illustrated did a story on in 2011 about how he/his lab had bungled (i.e., helped) Lance Armstrong samples and avoid detection for positives. And there were suggestions that Catlin was in cahoots with Lance. Interestingly, the SI story was written by none of than David Epstein. Didn't notice any mention of this in the UK story.

Of course, Catlin denied the SI story.

What does the Armstrong case have to do with the Salazar case? Nothing.

The PR fix it firm Salazar is horrendous.

Catlin's skeptic for SI was the Floyd Landis. The poster-child for going far overboard on the dope.

I believe Catlin was tipped off to look for THG. Being tipped off certainly helps to break a code.

Ipman wrote:

It shows a mind set towards doping/gaining a competing edge through using drugs that would boost performance. How would this not be relevant to today's situation? It shows a clear pattern of behavior and now all of a sudden he is in a position of power that he doesn't need to ask anymore. He just does it in pretty unethical ways. I don't see how anyone who cares about this sport doesn't have a problem with this stuff. Keep your head in the sand buddy.

He doesn't need to ask any more because he's got his own Nike lab to answer his questions and monitor levels, etc.

alejandro wrote:

Maybe this same Don Catlin will come forward and talk about what happened to the positive tests from the 1984 U.S. Olympic Trials - now that would be interesting.

Trust me, I'm Jimmy Saville wrote:

That'd be the Don Catlin that Sports Illustrated did a story on in 2011 about how he/his lab had bungled (i.e., helped) Lance Armstrong samples and avoid detection for positives. And there were suggestions that Catlin was in cahoots with Lance. Interestingly, the SI story was written by none of than David Epstein. Didn't notice any mention of this in the UK story.

Of course, Catlin denied the SI story.

Pot meet your brother kettle. Sports Illustrated meet The Daily Mail.

From the thread "Another NOP therapist comes forward":

Trust me, I'm Jimmy Saville wrote:

For example, the home page is currently littered with stories by the UK's version of the National Enquirer, The Daily Mail ( see

http://tktk.gawker.com/my-year-ripping-off-the-web-with-the-daily-mail-online-1689453286

). The BroJos are treating TDM's regurgitation of what's (mainly already) been reported as news.

alejandro wrote:

Maybe this same Don Catlin will come forward and talk about what happened to the positive tests from the 1984 U.S. Olympic Trials - now that would be interesting.

ya, right it is quite a cast of characters......

who are the good guys actually???

time to end the war on drugs and legalize the process.

Let me get this straight. You expect me to cut off all dating prospects and wait for over 5 yrs for a guy who doesn't call me or come see me.

longjack wrote:

time to end the war on drugs and legalize the process.

Yeah, thats what you say when its our guys winning the medals. But as soon as Makloufi or a chinese women gets the gold you're back to " cheaters must fvckn die!!!!"