Wow: Yet another allegation: Don Catlin: Alberto Salazar repeatedly asked for TUEs himself as an athlete he didn't need

All from a guy who said, "None of our athletes are on any sports-specific supplement other than beta alanine, which is an amino acid. Other than that, it’s iron, vitamin D and that’s it. You don’t really need anything else.”

Clearly he has always thought you do need something else.

Maybe a mod can merge this thread with the existing ones?

What a lame article. I really want to see AlSal laid low but that article, imho, was a weak pretext to say, for the umpteenth time, "Mo Farah has a dodgy coach."

Yes, we know that. What newinformation do you have?

Catlin's opinion and experience with Salazar actually does add significantly to the story>>the TUE cheating goes back decades and he used a private firm to test samples to prevent drug positives from cropping up. The question still remains whether they are able to nail him for actual illegal doping on his athletes. This story does not demonstrate the latter. The Feds could subpoena the private testing firm as well as the Nike in-house lab.

.Dkny64 wrote:

Yes, we know that. What new information do you have?

This perhaps?

More grist for the mill perhaps?

Catlin, who developed Americas first anti-doping facility, says he was initially alarmed by Salazars conduct when he was a member of both the US Olympic Committee and the International Olympic Committee in the 1980s a time when Salazar was a professional long-distance runner.

He claims that Salazar would repeatedly attempt to apply for medical exemptions later known as TUEs to use restricted treatments for conditions that Catlin deemed him not to suffer from. I used to be on the board that reviewed TUEs for the US Olympic Committee so if someone wanted a TUE they would write it up and I would review it, Catlin says.

The issue for me with Salazar has always been that he tried to get a TUE for all kinds of things. He was looking for TUEs where I didnt think there was any reason and I denied all of them. It didnt make any sense to me and I simply thought to myself that this is a person who is looking to try to find an edge some way or another. And so I said no.

Yeah, Rojo, merge the threads.

If you keep this one, change the title to "Wow, yet another allegation! The Godfather of drug testing, Don Catlin, says, "Alberto Salazar repeatedly asked for unnecessary TUEs for himself while he was competing."

Or something like that... At least take the second "r" out of repeatedly.

Wow. Salazar was attempting "to find an edge." Stunning news. Clearly decisive. Of course, the fact that Salazar kept applying for TUEs might suggest that he was clean! Why apply unless one is attempting to comply with all the rules? I'm not suggesting I know what's going on and what isn't, but you're like an addict needing an anti-Salazar fix at every moment.

[quote]I Heart Albuterolwrote:

But Don Catlin is not just some random dude on the message boards.

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Who is Don Catlin?

For more than three decades, Don Catlin has been at the forefront of antidoping in sport. Since establishing the world-renowned UCLA Olympic Analytical Laboratory Americas first anti-doping facility in 1982, Catlin has been considered one of the founding fathers of drugs testing in sport.

He oversaw testing at the 1984 Los AngelesOlympics, 1994 United States Football World Cup, 1996 Atlanta Olympics and 2002 Salt Lake City Winter Olympics. Has also been in charge of testing for the US Olympic Committee.

Arguably his greatest achievement came when he cracked the code for Tetrahydrogestrinone [THG], which played a key role in the Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative (Balco) investigation.

Read more:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6580279#ixzz3dwyQwRMc

Man Overboard wrote:

Maybe a mod can merge this thread with the existing ones?

I'm trying to merge it by hand. After 15 years, I don't know how to do it and Weldon isn't answering the phone.

Dkny64 wrote:

What a lame article. I really want to see AlSal laid low but that article, imho, was a weak pretext to say, for the umpteenth time, "Mo Farah has a dodgy coach."

Yes, we know that. What new information do you have?Your definition of "new information" is supernaturally restricted.

Your definition of "new information" is supernaturally restricted.

I don't know how anyone can read this article and see it as offering nothing the rest of the articles by UK news outlets haven't.

* It mentions and quotes Don Catlin for the first time.

* It describes how Salazar went beyond the boundaries of fair TUE play as an athlete, in addition to of course now doing so as a coach.

* It states that as far back as 2001, Salazar was working on trying to avoid positive drug tests he knew his shady practices would likely trigger without close lab monitoring.

NONE OF THIS SHIT is old news, at least not to the reading public.

You seem to believe that because the article does repeat SOME information from past articles, by definition it offers NO new information. This, to be charitable, is a very primitive idea.

Finally, if a new article merely notes that additional people are echoing the claims of other past NOPers by providing stories of their own, THIS TOO is new info. You're locked into the understandable yet still retarded idea that the only information that qualifies as "new" is revelations about a different substance, or an athlete admitting to having used testosterone given to him by Salazar, etc. If 100 people have stories about infraction X and 95 can be corroborated, this says a lot more than 10 similar, unimpeachable accusations.

Yes, we know the drill. Anyone not fascinated and wowed by each successive newspaper article is a "retard", even though these articles provide only slightly different variations of the same innuendo over and over.

I'm not surprised the North American mainstream media continues to ignore this story. There's really no meat on the bone. Just the same innuendo that's been playing on the LRC message boards (and bless them for that!) for at least a decade.

How is it legal to have a third party test your athletes?!?! If you aren't taking anything that could trigger a positive test why the F are you testing them for? This is the worst shit that I have heard yet. I understand blood tests for iron and etc, but if you are hiring a third party testing company to test how what you are taking can create a positive, that is cheating. If a coach is giving you supplements and then says you need to get a third party company to test to make sure you don't test positive than that is the time to get awayfrom that coach. He is playing in an area that has crossed over from gray to black. Any athlete that sticks with him after that nonsense needs to have their heads checked.

The TUE part is just another segment of him abusing the system. Plays right in there with his cheating schemes.

10/10 Just more innuendo by people who didn't like Alberto pushing the envelope. If they didn't like the "line in the sand", why didn't they move it?

I agree, really nothing new here, and I give the mainstream press credit for not using these "sensationalistic" articles.

What is up with the new hot topic for NOP supporters saying that the none mainstream press hasn't touched on it? BBC is the company that got this all started. How more mainstream do you need than that? Mo Farah is a household name in the UK with over a million twitter followers. Nobody knows who Salazar is in America so of course Foxnews, ESPN, and CNN aren't doing a daily update on the scandal. But, people in the UK care and people in the running circles care and that's all that matters. When people get to the USA Championships the crowd is going to know the accusations. Why does it matter if random people that don't know anything about running sees it on CNN?

Salazar tries to legally obtain a TUE, and is denied, and this makes him guilty? Even if he was purely trying to game the system, he was denied. No TUE was granted to TRY to game the system with.

Man Overboard wrote:

Just the same innuendo that's been playing on the LRC message boards (and bless them for that!) for at least a decade.

"Catlin claims that Salazar would repeatedly attempt to apply for medical exemptions later known as TUEs to use restricted treatments for conditions that Catlin deemed him not to suffer from. I used to be on the board that reviewed TUEs for the US Olympic Committee so if someone wanted a TUE they would write it up and I would review it, Catlin says.

...I said no."

Please Explain wrote:

How is it legal to have a third party test your athletes?!?! If you aren't taking anything that could trigger a positive test why the F are you testing them for?

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Maybe they wanted to double-check that there was nothing in the supplements they were taking that might trigger a positive. Plenty of athletes have claimed over the years that their positive tests were the result of supplements they thought were okay.

I'm sure Salazar will tell you that his third-party testing program was to ensure that his athletes were squeaky-clean and not doing anything amiss behind his back. Should play well in the Nike PR campaign.

Well...how long has Salazar been retired from active competition now? All this happened when??? a quarter century or more ago?!

People are just trying to throw as much mud against the wall to see what sticks.

He should only buy from companies that guaranteed a clean product. If he can't trust the company that is providing him with drugs he should turn the other direction. He would also have to be taking drugs that would affect what the drug testers are looking for (aka illegal drugs) that could trigger a positive.

A clean coach philosophy itself doesn't trigger positive tests. A coach making bad decisions and needed to be checked up on however would need a company to look for positives.

What are the odds that he was having non runners try drugs to see if they would trigger a positive before he gave it to his athletes?