Testoboost and Androgel - common among American elite runners

except that Rupp was 16 years old at the time.

LOL ... NOP fanboy.... LOL

The story used to be: NOP is clean as can be.

The new story: None of many drugs NOP has tried work. Therefore, they are not illegal.

Other than Salazar's claiming so, what proof do you have that the chart was referring to Testo-boost when it clearly says Testosterone?

TestoBullsh8t wrote:

Other than Salazar's claiming so, what proof do you have that the chart was referring to Testo-boost when it clearly says Testosterone?

What proof do YOU have that Mike Rossi didn't run the entire Lehigh Valley marathon in 2014??!

TestoBullsh8t wrote:

Other than Salazar's claiming so, what proof do you have that the chart was referring to Testo-boost when it clearly says Testosterone?

Ever heard of burden of proof? What proof do you have that Rupp took testosterone instead of something to boost his testosterone level?

we've been through this before wrote:

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Ever heard of burden of proof? What proof do you have that Rupp took testosterone instead of something to boost his testosterone level?

Well here's a picture of it for starters.

So I'll ask again: what proof do you have that it was this Testo-boost stuff, and not testosterone as the chart says?

If all you've got is Alberto's disgraced word, a medical chart easily trumps that in your little "burden of proof" game.

A Duck...err..."we've been through this before" is just jealous his dear, dear friend Alberto won't mail him some Testo-boost in a hollowed out book.Seriously, have you read all the things this stuff can do?

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Get strong libido and sex drive

You feel confident while having sex

Increase focusing power and concentration levels

The natural ingredients help increase blood flow directly to sex organ

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Testostoboost (tm): guaranteed to make your NOP hard-on Rupp Certified.

TestoBullsh8t wrote:

Other than Salazar's claiming so, what proof do you have that the chart was referring to Testo-boost when it clearly says Testosterone?

Because it's logical? If you cheat, you cheat....this is not a chart of a cheater. You don't list illegal drugs on a chart for one, and if you are cheating and listing it, then where's all the other stuff? You think Rupp was cheating on purpose and only using testosterone? If you cheat he'd be on EPO among other things.

You have to be an idiot to think he was cheating and listing what he was taking on a chart clear as day. There's a reason Conte wrote in code at Balco and didn't write TM, steroids. Salazar and Rupp are methodical, push the boundaries, but not braindead.

Mrr82 wrote:

TestoBullsh8t wrote:

Other than Salazar's claiming so, what proof do you have that the chart was referring to Testo-boost when it clearly says Testosterone?

Because it's logical? If you cheat, you cheat....this is not a chart of a cheater. You don't list illegal drugs on a chart for one, and if you are cheating and listing it, then where's all the other stuff? You think Rupp was cheating on purpose and only using testosterone? If you cheat he'd be on EPO among other things.

You have to be an idiot to think he was cheating and listing what he was taking on a chart clear as day. There's a reason Conte wrote in code at Balco and didn't write TM, steroids. Salazar and Rupp are methodical, push the boundaries, but not braindead.

You must also be an idiot to believe Magness about drugs being sent in the mail inside a hollowed out book, and that Rupp took a drug, despite not having a TUE.

NIKE wrote:

Mrr82 wrote:

Because it's logical? If you cheat, you cheat....this is not a chart of a cheater. You don't list illegal drugs on a chart for one, and if you are cheating and listing it, then where's all the other stuff? You think Rupp was cheating on purpose and only using testosterone? If you cheat he'd be on EPO among other things.

You have to be an idiot to think he was cheating and listing what he was taking on a chart clear as day. There's a reason Conte wrote in code at Balco and didn't write TM, steroids. Salazar and Rupp are methodical, push the boundaries, but not braindead.

You must also be an idiot to believe Magness about drugs being sent in the mail inside a hollowed out book, and that Rupp took a drug, despite not having a TUE.

No, I believe that happened. I don't think Magness is a liar. But nothing in there suggests Rupp took a drug without a TUE. Why would Rupp take an illegal drug in front of Magness? Again, illogical.

What cracks me up is everybody on this board asking one another "Is this legal?"Isn't that a huge problem with T&F that nobody is even clear what is legal? That is even before you get to the more general question of what is ethical. I'm coming to believe this story is more about the problem of T&F officials being walking empty suits. As a consequence a coach like Salazar, with the power of Nike behind him, gets access to these officials. He aggressively advocates and lobbies for the athletes and generally gets what he wants. This environment is bad for track. But whenever I read into the details of Salazar, I inevitably see a coach doing his job while everyone else is walking around like sheep.

we've been through this before wrote:

Salazar's athletes use Testoboost and Androgel 6/27/2009 11:18PM

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3086701

Testo Boost and Ian Dobson 7/24/2008 10:09PM

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=2592055

Testo Boost 7/28/2008 4:50PM

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=2597498

Testo Boost 3/24/2009 10:54AM

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=2943122

TESTO BOOST -Ritz 8/29/2009 12:33AM

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3189857

Nothing new that Testoboost and even Androgel have been common among American elite runners. Salazar may be the Testoboost champion but if you think he gets taken down for doing the same as all other coaches, you're a delusional moron.

Stop the hypocrisy. This BBC story hasn't added anything we didn't know already 7 years ago.

we've been through this before wrote:

Ever heard of burden of proof? What proof do you have that Rupp took testosterone instead of something to boost his testosterone level?

Yes, and a sporting offense isn't a judicial system. Stop it.

What's great about your argument is the ability to unilaterally to declare anything insufficient proof. If used ampules were falling out of Salazar's pocket and Rupp was running behind telling Al to come back because he needs more before he goes on it would be insufficient proof. We get it.

Watch the BBC episode. That's all the evidence needed to make a reasonable decision.

And, to your original point, we agree.

An intelligent coach/athlete who cares not for the spirit of rules only has to look at the 4:1 T:E ratio to know the IOC is perfectly okay with doping. The T:E ratio is just one example of their permissive attitude.

I'll give Salazar full credit for at least making an effort to look like he complies with the rules.

Mrr82 wrote:

Because it's logical? If you cheat, you cheat...

That's no more logical than if you cheat for a long time, sometimes you're gonna let you're guard down and accidentally show people something they weren't supposed to see.

You think Rupp was cheating on purpose and only using testosterone? If you cheat he'd be on EPO among other things.

You have to be an idiot to think he was cheating and listing what he was taking on a chart clear as day.

Do you not see the contradiction in your own argument? You just claimed the absence of EPO is proof that he's not cheating, and then you claim that a cheater would never list what he was taking on the chart. You can't have it both ways.

Mrr82 wrote:

[quote]Why would Rupp take an illegal drug in front of Magness? Again, illogical.

Maybe because he was Sal's #2 at the time, Rupp thought he was among friends?

Mrr82 wrote:

No, I believe that happened. I don't think Magness is a liar. But nothing in there suggests Rupp took a drug without a TUE. Why would Rupp take an illegal drug in front of Magness? Again, illogical.

Rupp DID NOT take a drug in front of Magness. Someone drop a report off on Salazar's office desk. Salazar did not the report was their. Magness went into the office, say the report, opened it, his jaw dropped, and he took a photo of the chart inside the report.

So, Magness is what, guilty of photographic illegal drug use by Salazar? NOPe, Magness is protected by whistleblower statutes,

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Get used to the fact that NOP is DONE. Start worrying about how to help the NOP athletes who are implicit as top-level insiders (Rupp, Farah, maybe Centro) to rebuild their lives.

Mrrrrrr....... wrote:

Mrr82 wrote:

No, I believe that happened. I don't think Magness is a liar. But nothing in there suggests Rupp took a drug without a TUE. Why would Rupp take an illegal drug in front of Magness? Again, illogical.

Rupp DID NOT take a drug in front of Magness. Someone drop a report off on Salazar's office desk. Salazar did not the report was their. Magness went into the office, say the report, opened it, his jaw dropped, and he took a photo of the chart inside the report.

So, Magness is what, guilty of photographic illegal drug use by Salazar? NOPe, Magness is protected by whistleblower statutes,

http://www.whistleblowers.gov

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Get used to the fact that NOP is DONE. Start worrying about how to help the NOP athletes who are implicit as top-level insiders (Rupp, Farah, maybe Centro) to rebuild their lives.

Keep up, the reference is the book not the report.

ILL Eagle wrote:

LOL ... NOP fanboy.... LOL

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When individuals lead off with accusing the other of being an "NOP fanboy", it is just nauseating. I would rather the NOP are cheaters than to read another post about someone being an NOP fanboy are Nike shill. Please stop and come up with anything original. Anything!! When dorks use this attack it just makes me want to root for the NOP out of spite.

Critical thinkers can be either for or against the NOP without having anything to do with the team or Nike

At least the NOP supporters have stopped with the "haters are gonna hate" rubbish. I 'hated' that just as much.

I'm ok with this being the post of the day.

TestoBullsh8t wrote:

Mrr82 wrote:

Because it's logical? If you cheat, you cheat...

That's no more logical than if you cheat for a long time, sometimes you're gonna let you're guard down and accidentally show people something they weren't supposed to see.

You think Rupp was cheating on purpose and only using testosterone? If you cheat he'd be on EPO among other things.

You have to be an idiot to think he was cheating and listing what he was taking on a chart clear as day.

Do you not see the contradiction in your own argument? You just claimed the absence of EPO is proof that he's not cheating, and then you claim that a cheater would never list what he was taking on the chart. You can't have it both ways.

I can see how you'd read it that way. My point is there are multiple levels of illogical assumptions.

1) you have to be an idiot to list banned substances that clearly

2) If you are that dumb and are cheating, you wouldn't only list one banned substance. You'd list everything you took otherwise what's the point of listing one?