How come ther's never been a cloud of suspicion hanging over Schumachers Group?

[quote]adsgdsafdsa wrote:

Rupp and Farah have Olympic medals and Kara Goucher has a WC medal, whereas Schumacher's group doesn't have any of those at all (as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong).

Shalane has an Olympic medal.

I am still laughing. So clever.

We should institute post of the week and this is it.

You get a LetsRun.com shirt. Email me.

"Not Rupp Certified" might have a slightly different connotation now, but those are the shirts we've got printed.

Interesting post. We take it for granted Tegenkamp is toast on the track yet we take it for granted Mo can toast everyone on the track still.

The one difference is Mo if of African descents so a lot of people put his ceiling as being higher. Mo didn't do core before he was near top 5 in the world, thus he can be #1. But you are right if Teg was #1 in the world, I think a lot of us would be "What?!?"

Bad Wigins wrote:

dope doesn't work in the steeplechase, it's all about technique

Hahahahaha that's hilarious!

Clean vs Dirty wrote:

How come ther's never been a cloud of suspicion hanging over Schumachers Group?

Because they've never won anything.

The Truth Pt. 3.0 wrote:

As if being an NCAA coach means he's got a conscious not to have athletes coach. His group obviously is on everything NOP takes. No way Solinsky that big ofe can run sub 27 at 165 lbs and Bairo breaks Jeff "God" Sheibler's Canadian 10,000m record. Cannot wait for the day these cheaters get busted and Sheib gets his record back.

These these big runners running these fast times are very suspicious. It takes a lot energy to move around such big frame, specially at that speed.

Hgh in the fridge wrote:

Max Mercy wrote:

This board is a sloppy mess of people who have zero idea what the elite world of track and field is made up of. Blind accusations of something you know nothing of is pretty ridiculous. Your knowledge consists only of the drivel spouted on this board and what you've read on the Internet. I don't know what makes you think that you're experts, but I suppose this analogously occurs amongst the fat guys at home on Sunday's second guessing NFL coaches because they played high school ball their junior year. Get a life!

PEDs are easily accessible for nearly everyone in the world and have been for 60+ years. Regular joes and janes take them just to feel good about themselves. You honestly think that people paid to be the Greatest in sport aren't bending the rules to suit them?

QFE

Tgirl wrote:

Shalane has an Olympic medal.

Ah of course. Still, it's a lower profile group overall.

I was just reading another thread about Coach John Cook and his interview about NOP. Some pretty eye opening statements. Here is the link to the thread.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6547164

Here is a link to the RW article:

http://www.runnersworld.com/elite-runners/former-nike-oregon-project-coach-not-surprised-by-doping-allegations

He makes a statement about Shalane and Schumacher's group.

joho wrote:

I was just reading another thread about Coach John Cook and his interview about NOP. Some pretty eye opening statements. Here is the link to the thread.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6547164

Here is a link to the RW article:

http://www.runnersworld.com/elite-runners/former-nike-oregon-project-coach-not-surprised-by-doping-allegations

He makes a statement about Shalane and Schumacher's group.

Do not be fooled by aw shucks Schumacher.

Same pressures to keep his easy job and not have to go back to college.

Galen Rupp = Chris Solinsky.

Do you think then that Alberto is just that much better at doping his athletes than Jerry?

joho wrote:

I was just reading another thread about Coach John Cook and his interview about NOP. Some pretty eye opening statements. Here is the link to the thread.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6547164

Here is a link to the RW article:

http://www.runnersworld.com/elite-runners/former-nike-oregon-project-coach-not-surprised-by-doping-allegations

He makes a statement about Shalane and Schumacher's group.

It seems the thread I linked above has been deleted. Not sure why as the discussion was focused on the RW article and was rather tame and seemed to stay on subject.

joho wrote:

joho wrote:

I was just reading another thread about Coach John Cook and his interview about NOP. Some pretty eye opening statements. Here is the link to the thread.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6547164

Here is a link to the RW article:

http://www.runnersworld.com/elite-runners/former-nike-oregon-project-coach-not-surprised-by-doping-allegations

He makes a statement about Shalane and Schumacher's group.

It seems the thread I linked above has been deleted. Not sure why as the discussion was focused on the RW article and was rather tame and seemed to stay on subject.

Pretty sure the threads were combined.

Tgirl wrote:

Shalane has an Olympic medal.

She had won it before she joined Schumacher's group. She has underperformed since then.

hi there wrote:

All this being said, Jerry's group has had some sketchy moments. If Rupp has been dirty since high school how good does clean Chris Solinsky have to be in order to crush Galen in that 10k that we all remember? A little too good maybe.

One thing to note here: Chris (clean in HS, clean in college) was still better than Galen in both HS and college, despite Galen being dirty throughout. That's actually one of the good things you could note here; the testing at least forces dopers to micro-dose, so their advantage isn't otherworldly like it would be without frequent testing (like it was in the 90s). Freakish but clean talents (Solinsky, Willis) can still compete with the less talented cheaters.

Galen was better than Solinsky at every point of their careers. If anyone was dirty it was Mr. Sub-27 AR on his first 10k race. Solinsky went from not being able to make international teams (Galen had been made two in college, whereas Solinsky has had one ever) to suddenly being invincible... for a summer...

kjialuiskjs wrote:

hi there wrote:

One thing to note here: Chris (clean in HS, clean in college) was still better than Galen in both HS and college, despite Galen being dirty throughout. That's actually one of the good things you could note here; the testing at least forces dopers to micro-dose, so their advantage isn't otherworldly like it would be without frequent testing (like it was in the 90s). Freakish but clean talents (Solinsky, Willis) can still compete with the less talented cheaters.

Galen was better than Solinsky at every point of their careers. If anyone was dirty it was Mr. Sub-27 AR on his first 10k race. Solinsky went from not being able to make international teams (Galen had been made two in college, whereas Solinsky has had one ever) to suddenly being invincible... for a summer...

And then his body blew up from the training he did to attain that fitness level.

reader of the forums wrote:

kjialuiskjs wrote:

Galen was better than Solinsky at every point of their careers. If anyone was dirty it was Mr. Sub-27 AR on his first 10k race. Solinsky went from not being able to make international teams (Galen had been made two in college, whereas Solinsky has had one ever) to suddenly being invincible... for a summer...

And then his body blew up from the training he did to attain that fitness level.

Gettiing injured isn't incompatible with it happening because your body couldn't sustain the training suddenly enabled by being doped to the gills.

False, look at the head to head match ups. Who won more? Who had better pr's?

Dude Duderson wrote:

False, look at the head to head match ups. Who won more? Who had better pr's?

All that maters is the international teams and races like Rupp destroying Solinsky in the 5k semis as a warmup to taking 2nd place in the 10k to go to the Olympics and Solinsky going nowhere.

1 Galen Rupp unattached 13:59.14Q

2 Chris Solinsky Nike 13:59.65Q

adsgdsafdsa wrote:

All of a sudden three American runners break 27 and 13 and two of them are from Schumacher's group and they haven't run those times since. How stupid do you have to be to not think something strange was going on?

Anyone with a brain realizes they're doping.

Yeah. I'm guessing those guys were dirty at the time, but I still have my doubts that Schumacher has ever deliberately operated a "drug program." If they were doping, some other clown in the Nike circus may have been behind it. I'm pretty sure Clyde Hart isn't a "drug coach" either, but that doesn't mean those two 43.xx 400 guys (or any sub-44 guys in history) were clean. Then again, it's got to be hard not to suspect guys like that. But if they're your own athletes, you just might not want to BELIEVE it even if you do SUSPECT it's probable.