Bernie sanders wants free college for everyone

OMG, Maurice?! I hope that's you! Anyways, it's pretty clearly true: we choose who gets what. If you have three guys living alone on an island you choose who gets what. If you have 300 million people living alone on an island you choose who gets what. The challenge is doing it in a way that encourages productivity. There are great examples of successful approaches to social democracy in Scandinavia. There's a lot we could learn from them. There's actually a lot we could learn from the U.S. in the '40s through '60s too! The rich people like to try to push this idea that the money you make with unregulated markets is somehow TRULY yours. It's no more truly yours than money you make through any other distribution scheme.

Bullshevik wrote:

Guy O'Leighken wrote:

I don't agree that something like free college is using other people's money. Who says it's their money in the first place? When we vote for officials, a big part of what we're doing is choosing how our national resources are going to be distributed.

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Straight out of the marxist manifesto. Please move to north Korea. Thanks[/quote]

Esox wrote:

Actually, an adaquate compulsory education is required by all Americans. It's the law.

What US law is that?

Can you give me the name of it?

I'm not advocating it, it's just how it is: the government makes the laws, and the laws control the distribution of money. The first time a government made a law saying you can't mug someone and take their money, I'm sure the successful muggers were morally indignant about government overreach.

Tippytop wrote:

Guy O'Leighken wrote:

I don't agree that something like free college is using other people's money. Who says it's their money in the first place? When we vote for officials, a big part of what we're doing is choosing how our national resources are going to be distributed. If we depend too much on free markets for distributing resources, they get concentrated at the top. That's what was seen throughout Europe and the U.S. during the industrial revolution, and it's what we're seeing in the US today.

The government is the top of the top. You're advocating they control it all. That's more ridiculous.

Guy O'Leighken wrote:

OMG, Maurice?! I hope that's you! Anyways, it's pretty clearly true: we choose who gets what. If you have three guys living alone on an island you choose who gets what. If you have 300 million people living alone on an island you choose who gets what. The challenge is doing it in a way that encourages productivity. There are great examples of successful approaches to social democracy in Scandinavia. There's a lot we could learn from them. There's actually a lot we could learn from the U.S. in the '40s through '60s too! The rich people like to try to push this idea that the money you make with unregulated markets is somehow TRULY yours. It's no more truly yours than money you make through any other distribution scheme.

Bullshevik wrote:

Straight out of the marxist manifesto. Please move to north Korea. Thanks

Why not go to Scandanavia? We can take up a fund for you.

Guy O'Leighken wrote:

OMG, Maurice?! I hope that's you! Anyways, it's pretty clearly true: we choose who gets what. If you have three guys living alone on an island you choose who gets what. If you have 300 million people living alone on an island you choose who gets what. The challenge is doing it in a way that encourages productivity. There are great examples of successful approaches to social democracy in Scandinavia. There's a lot we could learn from them. There's actually a lot we could learn from the U.S. in the '40s through '60s too! The rich people like to try to push this idea that the money you make with unregulated markets is somehow TRULY yours. It's no more truly yours than money you make through any other distribution scheme.

Bullshevik wrote:

Straight out of the marxist manifesto. Please move to north Korea. Thanks

Why not go to Scandanavia? We can take up a fund for you.

Guy O'Leighken wrote:

OMG, Maurice?! I hope that's you! Anyways, it's pretty clearly true: we choose who gets what. If you have three guys living alone on an island you choose who gets what. If you have 300 million people living alone on an island you choose who gets what. The challenge is doing it in a way that encourages productivity. There are great examples of successful approaches to social democracy in Scandinavia. There's a lot we could learn from them. There's actually a lot we could learn from the U.S. in the '40s through '60s too! The rich people like to try to push this idea that the money you make with unregulated markets is somehow TRULY yours. It's no more truly yours than money you make through any other distribution scheme.

Bullshevik wrote:

Straight out of the marxist manifesto. Please move to north Korea. Thanks

Why not go to Scandanavia? We can take up a fund for you.

Why'd you post this comment so many times? Like most people, my family and friends, and the places I grew up and know, make the idea of moving away from the U.S. pretty unappealing. It's true though that I would REALLY like the US government to be more like the governments of Norway, Sweden and Denmark.

Why not go to Scandanavia? We can take up a fund for you.[/quote]

Will I have a better chance of CRUSHING the field in road races in Scandanavia?

Where is the place that they said Kenyans can't win money? I wanna go there.

... better education, healthier, work less, measurably happier, and yet the economies are still strong. Sounds pretty good!

Guy O'Leighken wrote:

Why'd you post this comment so many times?

Like most people, my family and friends, and the places I grew up and know, make the idea of moving away from the U.S. pretty unappealing. It's true though that I would REALLY like the US government to be more like the governments of Norway, Sweden and Denmark.

fly friendly wrote:

Why not go to Scandanavia? We can take up a fund for you.

Not one dime for a kid going to college until the UAE, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Afghanistan and Pakistan get every penney they are entitled to!!!!!

eklo wrote:

Not one dime for a kid going to college until the UAE, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Afghanistan and Pakistan get every penney they are entitled to!!!!!

yea it has to be either /or

pft

Guy O'Leighken wrote:

The rich people like to try to push this idea that the money you make with unregulated markets is somehow TRULY yours. It's no more truly yours than money you make through any other distribution scheme.

Can you explain what makes money more or less the earner's to me?

Not "free". He just wants to change who is paying for the eduction.

Guy, please stop with that pinko socialist drivel that is the nirvana that the democrat party wishes on America. No thanks.

No East wrote:

Guy, please stop with that pinko socialist drivel that is the nirvana that the democrat party wishes on America. No thanks.

If you don't like socialism move to Saudi Arabia where you belong.

The American middle class is caught in a snare of economic doublethink. Their traditional work ethic, started by pioneers slogging it out for survival in log cabins, has lost its purpose - it is now so easy to survive that there is no need for it anymore.

Because old habits die hard, people don't want to accept this and try to keep the work ethic alive by offering themselves prizes. Get a nice car! A big house! A membership at the golf course! A giant TV! Luxuries. Naturally they have to keep busy making these luxuries - the vast majority of US jobs - in the hope of one day possessing them.

And in the hope of one day being so rich that they can afford luxuries without working at all. So their work ethic is not only empty but self-contradictory, as its ultimate goal is its own abandonment.

Unaware of this inner conundrum, they are nonetheless made desperate by it and lash out viciously at anyone less busy than them. They aren't jealous of their trailers and tiny apartments, but rather that the poor have found an easier and more direct way to discard the stale pioneer work ethic. Though unwillingly, the poor are freed of the mad and frivolous ambitions that enslave wealthier people for their entire lives.

From the middle class point of view, somehow the poor got a better deal. And so they go around whining about how unfair it is. In one brain cell they love free markets, and in the other brain cell they want everyone treated the same. Classic doublethink.

not wrong wrote:

wtfunny wrote:

Yet some folks never seem to run out of other people's lines and quotes to mindlessly regurgitate.

so what? he's right

But he's not "right"; it's an absurdly meaningless reductive phrase.

People ridicule it. But even if you disagree with it, its hardly that far from the norm. We spend about the same amount of money artificially inflating home prices and encouraging Americans to go into debt through the mortgage interest deduction. And that loophole is supposedly "sacred".

weekend @ bernies wrote:

Does that mean fully funded track teams for every university in the country? No more peddling athletic scholarship money in half rides, quarter rides, book scholarships?

discuss this socialist scheme

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Esox wrote:

Actually, an adaquate compulsory education is required by all Americans. It's the law.

What US law is that?

Can you give me the name of it?

You are unaware that education is mandatory thru age 16 in the USA? Honestly?

How about google? You unaware of that as well?

confused by the thing wrote:

Can you explain what makes money more or less the earner's to me?

"Money" is an artificial concept created by governments, without a government to back it money wouldn't exist.

If you have a billion dollars, you only have a billion dollars because the government backs your ability to use some paper with words on it to purchase things, but that purchasing power is given by the government, ergo the money isn't really "yours".