You're definitely right Jess! I guess my only biggest fear is like i said earlier running a 3:10:20 cuz I stayed w/ the pacer lol. How much time can one make up after 18-20 miles? A min? I mean I don't know if i'm really the neg split type... Although Buff is flat as i understand.
Why do you care so much about Boston? Every Tom, Dick and Mike Rossi gets to run it
wanting boston wrote:
I'm a little scared of staying w/ a 3:10 pacer for the entire marathon..I would be afraid of him running a 3:10:20 or something, missing my shot at Boston..
I think I should be able to run a 3:07-3:09... Should I go for it on my own?
How did you make out ?
NOT good dude... Was on pace for a 3:09 @ 18 miles and bonked hard.. I'll chalk it up.. I finished! Ended up running a 3:30 somethin... The 70 degree weather hit me hard about 2hrs in .... I had to even take some walk breaks.. I only trained for 5wks.. Was only my 2nd marathon.. Beats a DNF lol..
Gonna give it another whirl @ Wineglass in Oct and pray for cooler temps. I still think somehow/ someway I can eventually pull off a 3:10 by my shorter distances.. I just need to come up w/ a good nutrition , and training plan.. Still a rookie here haha.
We're gonna have to come up with a Godwin's Law variation, the Rossi Ruse?
No biggie wrote:
Why do you care so much about Boston? Every Tom, Dick and Mike Rossi gets to run it
wanting boston wrote:
NOT good dude... Was on pace for a 3:09 @ 18 miles and bonked hard.. I'll chalk it up.. I finished! Ended up running a 3:30 somethin... The 70 degree weather hit me hard about 2hrs in .... I had to even take some walk breaks.. I only trained for 5wks.. Was only my 2nd marathon.. Beats a DNF lol..
Gonna give it another whirl @ Wineglass in Oct and pray for cooler temps. I still think somehow/ someway I can eventually pull off a 3:10 by my shorter distances.. I just need to come up w/ a good nutrition , and training plan.. Still a rookie here haha.
You trained for 5 weeks. Rookie yep. You know Wineglass is sold out.
I saw this coming. 1:29 is barely indicative of a 3:10 or 3:09. Add the hot weather and you were probably good for 3:15 that day at best.\
Good experience for next time.
wanting boston wrote:
NOT good dude... Was on pace for a 3:09 @ 18 miles and bonked hard.. I'll chalk it up.. I finished! Ended up running a 3:30 somethin... The 70 degree weather hit me hard about 2hrs in .... I had to even take some walk breaks.. I only trained for 5wks.. Was only my 2nd marathon.. Beats a DNF lol..
Gonna give it another whirl @ Wineglass in Oct and pray for cooler temps. I still think somehow/ someway I can eventually pull off a 3:10 by my shorter distances.. I just need to come up w/ a good nutrition , and training plan.. Still a rookie here haha.
Hot day coupled with not enough training mileage or training time for you meant 3:10 wasn't in the cards for you this race. I am familiar with that "on BQ pace through 19 miles then I dropped" issue. It took me 15 marathons to hit sub 3:10.
Keep your mileage up and work on cross training in the gym, especially strengthening gastrocnemus and s oleus muscles in the back of the calf.
almostbq wrote:
wanting boston wrote:NOT good dude... Was on pace for a 3:09 @ 18 miles and bonked hard.. I'll chalk it up.. I finished! Ended up running a 3:30 somethin... The 70 degree weather hit me hard about 2hrs in .... I had to even take some walk breaks.. I only trained for 5wks.. Was only my 2nd marathon.. Beats a DNF lol..
Gonna give it another whirl @ Wineglass in Oct and pray for cooler temps. I still think somehow/ someway I can eventually pull off a 3:10 by my shorter distances.. I just need to come up w/ a good nutrition , and training plan.. Still a rookie here haha.
Hot day coupled with not enough training mileage or training time for you meant 3:10 wasn't in the cards for you this race. I am familiar with that "on BQ pace through 19 miles then I dropped" issue. It took me 15 marathons to hit sub 3:10.
Keep your mileage up.(DEFINITELY )
(and work on cross training in the gym, especially strengthening gastrocnemus and s oleus muscles in the back of the calf.
But why the cross training advice and strengthening advice ??
Your chances are not that good. That leaves you with 2 choices. You can run at 3:15 pace and then if you have anything left you can go for it in the last 3-4 miles. You will get a good time that way but you will not get a 3:10. Your second option is to go out at 3:10 pace and take a gamble. Maybe 20% chance of holding on for the 3:10 (just a guess, but it is way less than 50%). Perhaps you get lucky. More likely you hit the wall, die, maybe walk, and have a pretty bad experience.
I have tried both options. When I "went for it" I hit the wall at mile 21 and it was pretty awful. When I ran conservatively, I was passing people and feeling strong in the last 10k. With similar fitness, I ran about 1.5 mins faster with the "fly and die" strategy, but with the kind of splits that make you look and feel like kind of an idiot. My memory of the well paced race was crushing opponents in the last 10k. My main memory of the faster race was one of being miserable.
I'm already registered. To the rest of u with negative comments keep them to yourself cuZ I'm gonna run boston someday.
wanting boston wrote:
I'm already registered. To the rest of u with negative comments keep them to yourself cuZ I'm gonna run boston someday.
Didn't see any negative comments. But you asked about hanging with a 3:10 pacer without saying you only trained for 5 week's.
You must be in high school so it's ok.
The heat wasn't bad there was a breeze all the time.
I'm 40 yrs old.. I'm not in high school.. Thanks though...
So what if there was a breeze the whole time. Optimal marathon weather is 41 degrees, each and every runner is effected differently by heat/cold.. Personally I sweat profusely! 65 degrees and i'm done!
wanting boston wrote:
I'm 40 yrs old.. I'm not in high school.. Thanks though...
So what if there was a breeze the whole time. Optimal marathon weather is 41 degrees, each and every runner is effected differently by heat/cold.. Personally I sweat profusely! 65 degrees and i'm done!
If you're 40 years old why shooting for sub 3:10? The qualifying time for 40 year old male is sub 3:15.
corduroy wrote:
wanting boston wrote:I'm 40 yrs old.. I'm not in high school.. Thanks though...
So what if there was a breeze the whole time. Optimal marathon weather is 41 degrees, each and every runner is effected differently by heat/cold.. Personally I sweat profusely! 65 degrees and i'm done!
If you're 40 years old why shooting for sub 3:10? The qualifying time for 40 year old male is sub 3:15.
I would assume he is 35-39 (or will be at the time of the 2016 marathon)... unless he read the chart wrong and really only needs the 3:15 being 40.
I just turned 38,so closer to 40 might as well grin and bare it lol... So I need a 3:10 for a couple more yrs..
The poser. wrote:
almostbq wrote:Hot day coupled with not enough training mileage or training time for you meant 3:10 wasn't in the cards for you this race. I am familiar with that "on BQ pace through 19 miles then I dropped" issue. It took me 15 marathons to hit sub 3:10.
Keep your mileage up.(DEFINITELY )
(and work on cross training in the gym, especially strengthening gastrocnemus and s oleus muscles in the back of the calf.
But why the cross training advice and strengthening advice ??
Because that was my weakness. My calves were quitting out on me in races around mile 20 or in training, but after I found a gym with the right machinery to strengthen them and moved to a city with a fabulously long street grid to run, I went from an also ran to a Boston qualifier.