• Loenzo the Magnificent
      • 4:05 wins Big 12 1500 5/17/2015 7:03PM
      • Loenzo the Magnificent
      • Event 10 Men 1500 Meter Run
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        Collegiate: ^ 3:35.30 6/6/1981 Sydney Maree, Villanova
        Big 12: # 3:40.04 5/5/2013 Patrick Casey, Oklahoma
        Name Year School Finals Points
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        Finals
        1 Chad Noelle JR Oklahoma State 4:05.93 10
        1:05.894 (1:05.894) 2:10.078 (1:04.184) 3:12.384 (1:02.307)
        4:05.921 (53.537)
        2 Allen Eke JR Oklahoma 4:06.92 8
        1:06.202 (1:06.202) 2:10.294 (1:04.092) 3:12.626 (1:02.332)
        4:06.914 (54.289)
        3 Brian Biekert SR Iowa State 4:07.44 6
        1:06.020 (1:06.020) 2:10.203 (1:04.184) 3:12.621 (1:02.419)
        4:07.434 (54.813)
        4 Josh Munsch SR Kansas 4:07.61 5
        1:05.621 (1:05.621) 2:09.961 (1:04.340) 3:12.693 (1:02.733)
        4:07.610 (54.917)
    • Jhrssveabjj
      • RE: 4:05 wins Big 12 1500 5/17/2015 7:13PM - in reply to kyle king 11
      • Jhrssveabjj
      • Are those the splits at 300, 700, and 1100? If so, that is the slowest first lap I've ever seen in a 1500 at that level.
    • big12alum
      • RE: 4:05 wins Big 12 1500 5/17/2015 7:44PM - in reply to Jhrssveabjj
      • big12alum
      • Jhrssveabjj wrote:
        Are those the splits at 300, 700, and 1100? If so, that is the slowest first lap I've ever seen in a 1500 at that level.
        Yes, it was the first 300. Looked like they were out for a recovery run. Closed damn fast though.
    • Raysism
      • RE: 4:05 wins Big 12 1500 5/17/2015 7:48PM - in reply to big12alum
      • Raysism
      • big12alum wrote:
        Jhrssveabjj wrote:
        Are those the splits at 300, 700, and 1100? If so, that is the slowest first lap I've ever seen in a 1500 at that level.
        Yes, it was the first 300. Looked like they were out for a recovery run. Closed damn fast though.
        Is this a joke? I was at a girls' middle school race this weekend, and they ran the first 300m in 61 seconds.
    • oh yeah buddy
      • RE: 4:05 wins Big 12 1500 5/17/2015 9:09PM - in reply to Raysism
      • oh yeah buddy
      • Raysism wrote:
        big12alum wrote:
        Jhrssveabjj wrote:
        Are those the splits at 300, 700, and 1100? If so, that is the slowest first lap I've ever seen in a 1500 at that level.
        Yes, it was the first 300. Looked like they were out for a recovery run. Closed damn fast though.
        Is this a joke? I was at a girls' middle school race this weekend, and they ran the first 300m in 61 seconds.
        Did they also close in 53/54?
    • bigtool05
      • RE: 4:05 wins Big 12 1500 5/18/2015 12:54PM - in reply to Loenzo the Magnificent
      • bigtool05
      • Someone on here must have seen the race. According to their splits they ran the first 300 at 6:00 pace. That doesn't make any sense. Did they accidentally run a 1600 or something?
    • Yukon kid
      • 4:05 wins Big 12 1500 5/18/2015 8:09PM - in reply to Windy day
      • Yukon kid
      • The Big 12 has no depth anymore. Usually 3-4 solid athletes per event but you don't have to be good to score anymore in most events.
    • CycloneAlum
      • RE: 4:05 wins Big 12 1500 5/19/2015 7:18AM - in reply to Yukon kid
      • CycloneAlum
      • There were sustained winds of 20mph and gusting from time to time. No one wanted to do the heavily lifting of leading the race. The 80-second first 400m was essentially the whole field daring someone to lead.
    • jkd34
      • RE: 4:05 wins Big 12 1500 5/19/2015 7:34AM - in reply to CycloneAlum
      • jkd34
      • As always in one of these races, the strategy makes sense for the top 4 or so but why don't #7 through #12 try to steal 5th place by going out at a normal pace and hoping for a 4 min lull in the wind?
    • Bring Back the 880
      • RE: 4:05 wins Big 12 1500 5/19/2015 7:52AM - in reply to jkd34
      • Bring Back the 880
      • jkd34 wrote:
        As always in one of these races, the strategy makes sense for the top 4 or so but why don't #7 through #12 try to steal 5th place by going out at a normal pace and hoping for a 4 min lull in the wind?
        These guys are milers. They all think of themselves as #1 (or at the least, as having a great kick). I doubt too many are shooting for 5th place.

        That said, there's nothing wrong with a slow start to a race. not every run (especially at an important competition like a conference meet) has to be a PR.
    • Ncaa leader
    • bigtool05
      • RE: 4:05 wins Big 12 1500 5/19/2015 1:45PM - in reply to jkd34
      • bigtool05
      • jkd34 wrote:
        As always in one of these races, the strategy makes sense for the top 4 or so but why don't #7 through #12 try to steal 5th place by going out at a normal pace and hoping for a 4 min lull in the wind?
        This isn't necessarily true. I think there's a bigger chance of a major upset when the pace is really slow like this, especially when there are speed-based milers in the race. Examples include Christian Smith winning the 2007 NCAA Indoor Mile off a very slow first 800 and Sam Borchers winning the Big 10 mile in 4:23 a few years back. Neither one was one of the favorites and both probably would have finished back in the pack if the pace had been fast from the gun.