Terrible Tom once again. Robert Kraft caves - the Patriots accept the punishment - Wow!!

Teams watered the base paths to slow down Maury Wills. Biletnikoff used stickum. These aren't crimes, just gamesmanship. This happens in all sports. There is a sigNificant boundary between this stuff and using performance enhancing drugs or cutting a course short.

ayanali wrote:

NOBODY has ever referred to somebody wanting to lose weight as "the deflator." You cannot be serious...as Johnny Mac would say. You must be either trolling or gullible Rojo.

Anyone offering comment on this without having read both the Wells report and the rebuttal is being close minded. Put aside your hatred of the Patriots and read both. I too thought the Wells report was pretty strong, although circumstantially. Then I read the rebuttal tonight. I have to now conclude that, while it is still possible Brady deliberately ordered these guys to deflate balls below the legal limit, the Wells report is extremely weak and the NFL comes across very badly, especially the keystone cop referees who couldn't even keep track of the which guage they used or the balls at all times.

On the issue of the 'deflator' text, Mcnally referred to himself once as the deflator in a text he sent in May during the offseason. Curious, if he was the deflator he apparently didn't do his job on 17 October when the balls were overinflated against the Jets. When you look at the chronology and context of the texts, the case against Brady starts to fall apart.

The NFL is stupid. They should have set better requirements for measuring football psi. Is it STP--Standard Temperature and Pressure; 32F and 14.5 psi? Or is it outdoor game temperature and pressure. STP is better because the a standard like that is constant everywhere. Game conditions would be all over the place.

Rojo, in the history of dog-ate-my-homework excuses this one comes in #3. Who do the Pats lawyers think we are, a bunch of gullible fools?

Would your mom fall for "they were talking about weight loss not deflating balls" excuse? Why the hell didn't Brady cooperate will NFL investigators by showing his texts if it was only about weight loss?

malmo wrote:

Rojo, in the history of dog-ate-my-homework excuses this one comes in #3. Who do the Pats lawyers think we are, a bunch of gullible fools?

Would your mom fall for "they were talking about weight loss not deflating balls" excuse? Why the hell didn't Brady cooperate will NFL investigators by showing his texts if it was only about weight loss?

Malmo, quick question, did you read the texts prior to the ones in the Wells report? A simple yes or no will suffice.

Also, if a cop arrested you for something you didn't do, talking to the cops on the record without a lawyer wouldn't make you innocent, it would make you an idiot.

Sorry Rojo, but this is all BS. They can come up with some bogus far-fetched stories because they know this can't be proven, but we're supposed to believe that some of this mundane stuff was discussed in this manner? No way.

I'm neither a fan nor a hater of The Patriots, but there is no way these ways to excuse all of this discussion of needles and being the "deflator" holds any water. No person in the history of the world has called themselves "the deflator" when attempting to lose weight. Give me a break.

themanontherun wrote:

malmo wrote:

Rojo, in the history of dog-ate-my-homework excuses this one comes in #3. Who do the Pats lawyers think we are, a bunch of gullible fools?

Would your mom fall for "they were talking about weight loss not deflating balls" excuse? Why the hell didn't Brady cooperate will NFL investigators by showing his texts if it was only about weight loss?

Malmo, quick question, did you read the texts prior to the ones in the Wells report? A simple yes or no will suffice.

Also, if a cop arrested you for something you didn't do, talking to the cops on the record without a lawyer wouldn't make you innocent, it would make you an idiot.

Only if you did something wrong. Innocent people don't lawyer up. Innocent people sort things out with the police.

If this were a criminal matter the police would have already had Brady texts and the one ball boy's texts who didn't cooperate.

themanontherun wrote:

Also, if a cop arrested you for something you didn't do, talking to the cops on the record without a lawyer wouldn't make you innocent, it would make you an idiot.

malmo wrote:

Only if you did something wrong. Innocent people don't lawyer up. Innocent people sort things out with the police.

Not true, Malmo. These men make a very strong point for why you should never talk to the police under any circumstances if you are implicated in a crime:

You cannot help yourself by talking to the police.

Mr E wrote:

themanontherun wrote:

Also, if a cop arrested you for something you didn't do, talking to the cops on the record without a lawyer wouldn't make you innocent, it would make you an idiot.

malmo wrote:

Only if you did something wrong. Innocent people don't lawyer up. Innocent people sort things out with the police.

Not true, Malmo. These men make a very strong point for why you should never talk to the police under any circumstances if you are implicated in a crime:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

You cannot help yourself by talking to the police.

Let's see, from that video a lawyer talked to the police in an assault case. The cop lies an says he admitted to assaulting a collegue.

This has nothing to do with talking to the police or the guilt or innocence of t hr lawyer, it's about a cop who committed perjury.

What if the lawyer didn't talk to the police officer? The cop again says that the lawyer admitted to assaulting his collegue.

Same result. Cooperating with the police had nothing to do with the fact that the cop committed perjury. Zipping his mouth isn't a deterrent to bad cops.

ayanali wrote:

NOBODY has ever referred to somebody wanting to lose weight as "the deflator." You cannot be serious...as Johnny Mac would say. You must be either trolling or gullible Rojo.

Seriously ! Seriously are you drinking the Jerry Jones kool-aid

Rojo you are just wrong, Bob Kraft is some kind of Genus if he got you to believe it.

Bill the cheater, knew all about it, he is Total control freak about everything and he knew but distanced himself when this came out.

I think the penalty was a little harsh but this ain't the first time for this crew...to cheat

Brady did not reveal his texts because he is not an idiot. Why would he do that when this is obviously a bag job? Do you have an idea how many millions - yes, millions - Wells has been paid over the years by the NFL? Anyone who thinks he was independent in this process is a fool. His report is so full of holes, it cannot hold water. No way Brady misses 4 games.

The NFL KNEW AHEAD OF TIME that they were going to test the footballs for this game MORE CAREFULLY than they did for any other game and yet they didn't bother to calibrate their two gauges. We know this because they gave different readings.

The Pats can talk all they want to about deflating footballs. It is just talk. The question is DID THEY DEFLATE THEM FOR THIS PARTICULAR GAME? The Wells report shows that they had the motive and opportunity but shows NO DATA from a certified calibrated gauge. The league doesn't even KNOW which gauge was used before the game.

Case over. We have NO IDEA what the pressures of the footballs were that day at any time.

Imagine Usain Bolt saying, "I just prefer to have my starting block positioned a couple meters ahead of everyone else." Any question about whether that would be cheating?

Brady and the Patriots are making this far worse on themselves for dragging this affair out with this laughable "rebuttal." Brady knows he cheated, as does everyone else, unless you're willing to suspend disbelief in fantastical ways.

I don't hate Brady -- he's driven to win, but he needs to get this over and admit to what occurred. It would be better for him and the N FL. Patriots need to take their "punishment" and move on.

So it JUST COINCIDENTALLY happens to be that the guy suspected of deflating footballs (before any texts were read also ) calls himself the deflator....because he wants to lose weight...weird....just be honest to yourselves here...easiest explanation is almost always the correct one...

wtfunny wrote:

Rojo .. seriously .. I wonder if you apply the same processing to vindicate Said Aouita?

Bunch of accusations, reports and claims "Said Aouita is a dope pusher"

Said Aouita replies "No I'm not"

Rojo headine "Aouita the Doper no more. Said Aouita vindicated - Wow!!"

Nice post.

I look at this whole thing differently.

Any team should be able to determine the air pressure of the balls that they use. Remember, each team's offense has it's own footballs. The only time a defense should care is recovering a fumble or making an interception, which happens relatively infrequently.

So, the notion that the Pats had some advantage or that their win is tainted is just silly.

Did they break the rules? Probably. But, to me, it's akin to going 60 in a 55. Yes, you broke the law, but no harm done. Give me a ticket. Make me pay $50. OK.

Sitting Brady for 4 games for this is outrageous. And, I don't even like the Pats.

When I saw the word "vindicated" in the title I assumed they won the appeal and the suspension was reversed.

That's what vindicated would mean.

Did I miss the reversal of the suspension?

I don't care either way, I just wanted to understand if the use of the word vindicated here has actually been vindicated.

I don't know what I was expecting when I clicked on this thread - I should've known better.

Your analysis of the data available is as poor as the Dez Bryant "catch".

Aaron Rodgers >>>

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/20/aaron-rodgers-likes-his-footballs-overinflated/

Matt Leinart >>>>

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/21/leinart-says-every-quarterback-tampers-with-the-ball-except-one/

Eli Manning >>>

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/24/sports/football/eli-mannings-footballs-are-months-in-making.html?_r=0

Brad Johnson >>>

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bucs/bucs-qb-johnson-paid-to-have-footballs-altered-before-sb-37/2214490