Seeing the Overflow wrote:
Try to keep up wrote:What cover up? There was nothing to cover up!
So, you were just so overflowing with stupid that you had to spill some out, huh?
Choosing to insult the messenger instead of disputing the facts is the modus operandi of someone without a leg to stand on.
So instead of receiving a four game suspension for maybe knowing something about deflated balls, now we've got a four game suspension for destroying his phone. Meanwhile a player who attacked his girlfriend on four different occasions receives the same penalty. What's wrong with this picture?
Deflate this wrote:
So instead of receiving a four game suspension for maybe knowing something about deflated balls, now we've got a four game suspension for destroying his phone. Meanwhile a player who attacked his girlfriend on four different occasions receives the same penalty. What's wrong with this picture?
Quit defending Brady. He is guilty - am so tired of you guys
From Tom Brady's comments this morning:
"I also disagree with yesterdays narrative surrounding my cellphone. I replaced my broken Samsung phone with a new iPhone 6 AFTER my attorneys made it clear to the NFL that my actual phone device would not be subjected to investigation under ANY circumstances. As a member of a union, I was under no obligation to set a new precedent going forward, nor was I made aware at any time during Mr. Wells investigation, that failing to subject my cell phone to investigation would result in ANY discipline.
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To try and reconcile the record and fully cooperate with the investigation after I was disciplined in May, we turned over detailed pages of cell phone records and all of the emails that Mr. Wells requested. We even contacted the phone company to see if there was any possible way we could retrieve any/all of the actual text messages from my old phone. In short, we exhausted every possibility to give the NFL everything we could and offered to go thru the identity for every text and phone call during the relevant time. Regardless, the NFL knows that Mr. Wells already had ALL relevant communications with Patriots personnel that either Mr. Wells saw or that I was questioned about in my appeal hearing. There is no “smoking gun” and this controversy is manufactured to distract from the fact they have zero evidence of wrongdoing."
The scary part in all of this is that some of these folks are not just trolling. Some of them actually believe that Brady is innocent.
And they get to vote in real elections!!!!!
Robert Kraft just had a press conference where he ripped the NFL a new one!
Polly P - you are not the sharpest person here. Wells did NOT ask Brady for his cell phone. Please quit diverting the focus. Wells asked Brady for any text messages or eE-mails related to the issue.
Sally, your reading comprehension sucks. I said none of those things. Try reading my post again, or better yet have your mom explain it to you.
Polly P wrote:
Sally, your reading comprehension sucks. I said none of those things. Try reading my post again, or better yet have your mom explain it to you.
My mom is currently explaining it to me. You know what a dupe is Polly? I bet you believed OJ was innocent, MJ's sleeping with kids was benign and Hillary scrubbing her server was not criminal. Sheesh.
I accept your apology....again.
Polly P wrote:
I accept your apology....again.
Polly, your obtuseness is not endearing. Maybe give stealing my IDs a rest and do something on your own.😏
Brady's explanation on FB today makes perfect sense to me. It seems he was (he claims at least) completely upfront about what he would make available and the NFL was fully aware.
The hysteria surrounding this issue in no way matches the evidence. This entire ordeal boils down to two things: You love Brady or you hate him. Done. I sincerely have not met one person who loves Brady and thinks he is absolutely guilty (and vice versa). Correlation of course does not indicate causation, but it sure as hell is amusing. It's like asking a Christian to defend the existence of Jesus and expecting them to give you an objective analysis. It just doesn't happen.
Noticing Scary Shit wrote:
The scary part in all of this is that some of these folks are not just trolling. Some of them actually believe that Brady is innocent.
And they get to vote in real elections!!!!!
Yes, these trolls think that just because there is no hard evidence, then Brady is innocent. Well that's not how it works in America buster. Your guilty until proven otherwise. And if you don't like it, you can move to Mexico.
Final point for idiots here - the Ball boy called the Deflator - he was called that because he was trying to lose weight. You can't be this stupid.
Is that all you've got? You're giving the QB a 4 game suspension because of the ballboy's nickname? WTF.
fartlek_pa wrote:
Brady's explanation on FB today makes perfect sense to me. It seems he was (he claims at least) completely upfront about what he would make available and the NFL was fully aware.
The hysteria surrounding this issue in no way matches the evidence. This entire ordeal boils down to two things: You love Brady or you hate him. Done. I sincerely have not met one person who loves Brady and thinks he is absolutely guilty (and vice versa). Correlation of course does not indicate causation, but it sure as hell is amusing. It's like asking a Christian to defend the existence of Jesus and expecting them to give you an objective analysis. It just doesn't happen.
While his explanation may make sense, if you are the subject of an investigation and potential litigation, you cannot tell someone else I will not provide this to you and destroy or get rid of the evidence even if it something that you would do normally. Once you know there is the potential for litigation (which he did way back then), you have a duty to preserve the evidence in case a Court requires it to be produced because it is relevant to the matter (relevance is a very broad term in these situations). If a litigant destroys the evidence, that destruction of evidence likely will go against that litigant. Any attorney (like Tom Brady's attorney) knows this.
I'd argue that it's the NFL claiming he "destroyed" evidence. Brady's claim, according to today's FB post is that he replaced a broken phone and that the NFL was fully aware this was what he was going to do from the beginning. In this light it is a lot less "sneaky", which is what a lot of people are trying to say. Brady is dead right when he says he doesn't want to set a precedent here. By the way, Goodell didn't surrender his phone during the Mueller investigation, which granted is a different story; but it does lead me to look at how Goodell has handled this and say "Seriously?".
Bill Barnwell from Grantland put this in the best perspective I've seen yet. (link below). Here's the most poignant part:
"If you start with the premise that Brady did something that was against the rules, I think you can prove that. If you start with the premise that Brady was doing something that allowed him to gain an unfair advantage versus the rest of the league, I’m far more skeptical. Talk to people around the NFL and you’ll hear a general trend surrounding the Patriots. The NFL is a paranoid league, and everybody always inevitably thinks that Belichick and his team are up to something. Belichick’s rule proposals are eyed warily, not because they’re dumb, but because some teams are afraid that Belichick will pass a proposal specifically to exploit an advantage that other organizations aren’t aware of. Very few people I’ve spoken to, though, actually think the Patriots have gained any sort of competitive advantage from Deflategate."
So basically: Brady did nothing outside the usual things that are done to gain an advantage & Belichick has everyone on edge, mostly b/c he's smarter and can exploit weakness better than anyone else.
Smart ass, yes. But also accurate.
Link to article:
fartlek_pa wrote:
I'd argue that it's the NFL claiming he "destroyed" evidence. Brady's claim, according to today's FB post is that he replaced a broken phone and that the NFL was fully aware this was what he was going to do from the beginning. In this light it is a lot less "sneaky", which is what a lot of people are trying to say. Brady is dead right when he says he doesn't want to set a precedent here. By the way, Goodell didn't surrender his phone during the Mueller investigation, which granted is a different story; but it does lead me to look at how Goodell has handled this and say "Seriously?".
Bill Barnwell from Grantland put this in the best perspective I've seen yet. (link below). Here's the most poignant part:
"If you start with the premise that Brady did something that was against the rules, I think you can prove that. If you start with the premise that Brady was doing something that allowed him to gain an unfair advantage versus the rest of the league, I’m far more skeptical. Talk to people around the NFL and you’ll hear a general trend surrounding the Patriots. The NFL is a paranoid
So basically: Brady did nothing outside the usual things that are done to gain an advantage & Belichick has everyone on edge, mostly b/c he's smarter and can exploit weakness better than anyone else.
Smart ass, yes. But also accurate.
Belichick smarter than everyone else? He is a confirmed cheater. Are you that stupid? I bet you still think Lance was clean.
Link to article:
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-value-of-tom-brady/
Sally, there's a huge difference between the two "cheating" scenarios. In the first one, the Pats were upfront and admitted what they had done. Ask yourself why they're not doing so this time.
Are you 15? Seriously dude, nobody likes an a**hole. Stop arguing like a child (or someone who is too emotionally entangled in their belief system to be objective).
Belichick has been to 6 super bowls in less than 15 years. He has been to 9 AFC Championship games in as many years. The extent of his cheating is that he was found to be videotaping the practice of the worst team in the league, early in the season during the first year the new rule took effect. He also admitted this readily once caught. He has also taken teams to three super bowls since Spygate. Hardly consequential cheating.
Every team in the league has cheated and has been lackadaisical in their approach to policing cheaters. For some perspective, I'd recommend you spend some time looking this over:
It's interesting that most of the teams with 30+ violations have been recurrent playoff teams.
By the way the Seahawks have the most PED violations of any team in the NFL in the last 5 years, and have been as dominant as anyone else in the league during that time. But no one wants to talk about that.
As I said earlier, this isn't about facts. It's about whether you love or hate the Pats/Brady/Belichick.