TOM TERRIBLE IS SUSPENDED!

Here is why he was guilty, the NFL could not read all of the text messages on his phone, all he did was pick out the ones he wanted everyone else to see and not show the other ones. Seriously, answer this question, why was the phone destroyed? You can't without admitting guilt.

But the argument he will have for the rest of his life will be "there was never any hard evidence presented against me, therefore I am innocent" this is better than being caught and actually having the evidence, in which case his name would be tarnished. He is like OJ or Casey Anthony, we all know they did it but technically we can only speculate if they were guilty.

Funny how Tom Brady is labeled a cheater and suspended when he doesn't turn over text messages, but when Hillary Clinton doesn't turn over emails, nothing happens.

I Spy with my little Eye wrote:

Funny how Tom Brady is labeled a cheater and suspended when he doesn't turn over text messages, but when Hillary Clinton doesn't turn over emails, nothing happens.

Hillary may face a criminal inquiry. Also, the OJ comparison is a bit different because he lost a civil court judgment for the wrongful deaths of Nicole and Ron because of the lower threshhold. Also, you had a jury nullification in the criminal case. The evidence was pretty overwhelming in the criminal case.

I Spy with my little Eye wrote:

Funny how Tom Brady is labeled a cheater and suspended when he doesn't turn over text messages, but when Hillary Clinton doesn't turn over emails, nothing happens.

Not disagreeing with you, Hillary should be punished and I would never vote for her. Sadly, in today's world, nearly anyone with a lot of power or money (politicians and big business owners/CEO's) never seem to face legal trouble for cover ups and and sh!t like that.

It seems we have a bunch of techie neophytes here. Let me educate you about text messages: there are at least two copies of each text message...one on the sending phone and one on the receiving phone. (In truth, there's likely at least one more copy, but you'll have to get that from the NSA.)

Again, where is the proof he cheated? You, Sally V, and many others have come to conclusions with no proof. Not giving up your phone is not proof of guilt.

One, the ref believes he used the gauge which would indicate that the loss in ball pressure was due to the change in temperatures. If the ref is right, there can't be any cheating. Game over for Goodell. This alone should have led the Wells' investigation to conclude that there wasn't enough evidence to determine if the balls had been intentionally deflated.

Two, the texts the NFL did get from the ball boys do not indicate any cheating by the Pats or Brady. In reality, there is a text from earlier in the season where Brady requested the balls be inflated to 13.0, above the legal limit.

Three, is there any proof that Brady destroyed his phone?

What?! Brady destroyed his phone? Now we'll never get to see leaked photos of naked Giselle. Damn you, Tom Brady!

yuiop wrote:

In reality, there is a text from earlier in the season where Brady requested the balls be inflated to 13.0, above the legal limit.

Should say "within" the legal limit.

Tech talk wrote:

It seems we have a bunch of techie neophytes here. Let me educate you about text messages: there are at least two copies of each text message...one on the sending phone and one on the receiving phone. (In truth, there's likely at least one more copy, but you'll have to get that from the NSA.)

You still haven't answered the question, why was the phone destroyed? And you won't, keep avpioding my main point though, you seem pretty good at it.

TJR25 wrote:

Tech talk wrote:

It seems we have a bunch of techie neophytes here. Let me educate you about text messages: there are at least two copies of each text message...one on the sending phone and one on the receiving phone. (In truth, there's likely at least one more copy, but you'll have to get that from the NSA.)

You still haven't answered the question, why was the phone destroyed? And you won't, keep avpioding my main point though, you seem pretty good at it.

I'm sorry. I was under the mistaken impression that you were up to speed on his hearing. My bad.

Brady said he destroys his phones routinely for security reasons. This is a common behavior among celebrities for obvious reasons.

TJR25 wrote:

Tech talk wrote:

It seems we have a bunch of techie neophytes here. Let me educate you about text messages: there are at least two copies of each text message...one on the sending phone and one on the receiving phone. (In truth, there's likely at least one more copy, but you'll have to get that from the NSA.)

You still haven't answered the question, why was the phone destroyed? And you won't, keep avpioding my main point though, you seem pretty good at it.

Is there proof he destroyed his phone?

And as others have pointed out, his phone is not the only record of any texts or emails. Wouldn't you assume any text that might implicate Brady would have appeared on the ball boy's phone?

yuiop wrote:

Is there proof he destroyed his phone?

Never mind. I guess I need to read the hearing report as well.

yuiop wrote:

Just curious on what you are basing his guilt upon? Have you read the rebuttals to the Wells report? To find him guilty based on the 'evidence' available to the public, I don't see how any unbiased person could conclude he's guilty.

I don't know why Brady refused to give up his phone, but I also know that none of the texts from the ball boys' phones implicate Brady. If anything, they indicate he expected them to make sure the balls were within the legal range.

Particularly (but by no means exclusively) in civil cases, destruction or "spoliation" of evidence can give rise to an adverse inference that the evidence was unfavorable to the witness or party who destroyed or failed to preserve it. Destruction or deletion of text messages on handheld devices is a rather typical example. From what I've read, this case -- where Brady allegedly had his assistant destroy his cell phone and its SIM card on the very day that he was meeting with and being questioned by Wells and his investigating team -- is one of the more egregious cases of evidentiary spoliation that I've come across. I think that Brady is exceedingly lucky to get only a four-game suspension. And I think that any lawyer complicit in such a spoliation case would be lucky to escape with a short suspension from the practice of law.

yuiop wrote:

Again, where is the proof he cheated? You, Sally V, and many others have come to conclusions with no proof. Not giving up your phone is not proof of guilt.

One, the ref believes he used the gauge which would indicate that the loss in ball pressure was due to the change in temperatures. If the ref is right, there can't be any cheating. Game over for Goodell. This alone should have led the Wells' investigation to conclude that there wasn't enough evidence to determine if the balls had been intentionally deflated.

Two, the texts the NFL did get from the ball boys do not indicate any cheating by the Pats or Brady. In reality, there is a text from earlier in the season where Brady requested the balls be inflated to 13.0, above the legal limit.

Three, is there any proof that Brady destroyed his phone?

You still can't answer that question, what happens when Brady is in court and is called to the stand and asked "why did you destroy your phone?" there is no legitamite answer that could exonerate him.

1. Do the math, the temperature difference was determined not enough to provide the drop in ball pressure. And why were the Colts football's not deflated?

2. See first paragraph, it's not what we see, it's what we don't see.

3. He already has an "excuse" too, he now has to prove that he destroys his cell phones regularly (unless it is somehow decided that destroying cell phones under these circumstances is "normal" behavior)

Tech talk wrote:

TJR25 wrote:

You still haven't answered the question, why was the phone destroyed? And you won't, keep avpioding my main point though, you seem pretty good at it.

I'm sorry. I was under the mistaken impression that you were up to speed on his hearing. My bad.

Brady said he destroys his phones routinely for security reasons. This is a common behavior among celebrities for obvious reasons.

Ok then, how many celebrities routinely destroy their phones? And provide citations as well.

Senator Lindsey Graham, who is running for President, recently destroyed his phone. There is YouTube PROOF.

What is he hiding!?

Couldn't he have just ERASED the texts?

I thought there was Constitutional protection against self-incrimination.

You want spoliation? Try the Bush/Rove WH erasing millions (22 million?) of emails from the extragovernmental GWB43.com server. Or Romney leaving Beacon Hill with ALL of he statehouse computers (bough and paid for of course).

Brady destroying his cell phone is relatively minor, if it even counts as spoliation.