Chess player of Letsrun: which is harder, sub-4 mile or Grandmaster rating?

alksdjfdsajf;j wrote:

Is this really a contest?

Old people can play chess forever.

You only have a very brief window to capitalize on your youth and training to hit 4.

thanks randy... wrote:

alksdjfdsajf;j wrote:

Ignorant stuff.

Why are you re-posting what has already been debunked by Avacado's Number?

eat it portland wrote:

thanks randy... wrote:

Why are you re-posting what has already been debunked by Avacado's Number?

Two a's and two o's.

Avocado's Number wrote:

Also, while I am familiar with some excellent runners who did not compete until they were about twenty or older, it is very unusual to come across a GM-level chess player who was not immersed in the game as a teenager or younger. Essentially, if you are not a master-level player as a teenager and an international-class player by your early to mid-twenties, you are unlikely to ever become a GM.

This cannot be understated, chess is more similar to language or music than it is to other sports -- if you do not learn at a very early age (when neuroplasticity is very high), it will be very difficult (I would say impossible) to develop the pattern recognition that pretty much everyone who has achieved the GM level has.

The biggest difference between GMs and everyday Masters is the amount of patterns they are able to subconsciously recognize and know how to play already. It's more about discarding unfavorable variations ("pruning" in AI terms) and knowing which lines to focus on than it is about pure calculating skill.

Sorry I didn't realize there were so many young children close to running sub 4.

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To run sub 4 you need to be a male and in your physical prime. Youngest to have run sub 4 is 17, oldest is 41. Most do it in their 20s, and most only manage it once. Women aren't even close to running sub 4 and likely never will. It's a difficult thing to do for talented, dedicated runners. Every human on the face of the earth has competed in a running race at one point in their lives. All talent in running gets identified on the playground pretty early in life. Running is the most competive sport in the world. Any country can produce runners, rich or poor. There are running races with 80,000 competitors. No other sport comes close to these numbers of competitors in a single event. Running has the highest participation of any sport in the world. Out of all the billions of people who have run a race, only 1300 have gone on to break the 4 minute mile!

Really? Are you getting paid by the byte?

sub4byfar wrote:

sub4byfar.

There are 60 grandmasters in the US. You have 15+ new guys break 4 every year. Being a grandmaster is much more rare. For 99% of the people out there, either one is impossible.

What do you mean by "which is harder"?

bc/ you can interpret this a thousand ways, e.g:

If we chose 2 billion people at random then allow 1 billion of them to concentrate on running, the other 1 billion on chess, clearly, some of them will run sub -4 and some will become a grandmaster. Assume all the people can devote as much time as required (or optimal) and are coached/trained by the best in the world.

Is it whoever has the greatest number of the 1 billion? That's biased bc/ mental and physical ability deteriorate at different rates.

Is it the average time spent by each individual in order to accomplish the sub-4 or grandmaster? Maybe a better benchmark.

Is it the energy consumed, i.e. number of calories required?

Is it the number of people in a certain time frame?

You get my point...

Running:

130,000,000 people born each year.

Let's say 100,000,000 end up trying to run really fast at some point in their life.

Some of those people run under 4.

Chess:

130,000,000 people born each year.

Let's say 1,00,000 end up playing chess for more than 5 minutes at some point in their life.

Some of those people are grandmasters.

It is CHESS silly!

Not many people weigh over 600 pounds, but it has no meaning, the same as with chess.

J.R. wrote:

Not many people weigh over 600 pounds, but it has no meaning, the same as with chess.

So it is CHESS?

You guys don't get it . . . people get injured all the time playing chess!

It takes YEARS to heal properly from a chess injury.

People who play chess can only play for about two hours a day and need 22 more to recover.

It is much harder to get into a club based on subjective ELO ratings than to run around a track an average of 15mph for four minutes.

Come on guys it's obviously CHESS!

All you other guys are gorillas and can't play chess beautifully like I can with my mom after she gets home from work.

Ask Ches - he should know.

J.R. wrote:

Not many people weigh over 600 pounds, but it has no meaning, the same as with chess.

Running has no meaning either. Keep trying bub.

Crossthis Crossthat wrote:

J.R. wrote:

Not many people weigh over 600 pounds, but it has no meaning, the same as with chess.

Running has no meaning either. Keep trying bub.

Hobby chessplayer!

The first female to be awarded the title Grandmaster was in 1978. Since then over 200 have been awarded the title.

The first female to break the 4 minute mile will be never.

Clearly, breaking the four minute is harder. Even drugged up women couldn't even come close to 4 mile mile or 3.42 1500m.

If women and kids can do it, it ain't that hard.

A chick wrote:

If women and kids can do it, it ain\'t that hard.

you just won this thread.

chess SUCKS