For once I agree with you. All he did was run. Maybe Mayweather should be challenging Farah. Total embarrassment of a fight.
I think Pacquiao should have won on aggression, although he was not effective either, at least he tried to fight.
For once I agree with you. All he did was run. Maybe Mayweather should be challenging Farah. Total embarrassment of a fight.
I think Pacquiao should have won on aggression, although he was not effective either, at least he tried to fight.
A very odd fight. Pacquiao pursued and cornered Mayweather, and did all he could to have a real fight. Pacquiao caught Mayweather a good number of times with serious punches. Floyd showed skill in no letting Manny hurt him more, but that is all you can say about Floyd's evasive performance.
This was no Rope and Dope. It was more like Rope and Wait for the Decision!
Ingemar Johansson coudda taken them both on and won
Where's Chuck Wepner ?
pac didn't win much of anything. He had one solid round, 3 or 4, where he caught Floyd with a lefthand. Other than that, he didn't bother Floyd at all.
On the other hand, Mayweather did hit Pac seemingly at will. And he did enough to keep Pac's volume down .. a noted "flurry" puncher, Pac threw virtually the same # of punches Floyd did, and connected WAY less often. If Pac hadn't been worried, he'd have gone after Floyd some more, but he was pretty cautious.
If you think Pac won the first 2 rounds, for example, you didn't watch the fight.
I don't think it was a "great fight" at all .. about what I expected . but Pac didn't win it, or come close to winning.
Boxing is dead. Long live MMA.
I heard Kip Litton jumped in the ring in the last round for the knock out blow.
Fixed
"I think Pacquiao should have won on aggression, although he was not effective either, at least he tried to fight."
Now for the facts:
The final stats revealed that Pacquiao landed a total of 81 punches out of 429 thrown, while Mayweather landed 148 of 436. Overall, Mayweather connected at 34% while Pacquiao struck a significantly lower 19%.
It was a blowout.
Loot wrote:
For once I agree with you. All he did was run. Maybe Mayweather should be challenging Farah. Total embarrassment of a fight.
I think Pacquiao should have won on aggression, although he was not effective either, at least he tried to fight.
Lots of money moved around this weekend: the fight, the K. Derby, and the NFL draft... . I was sure Pacqui would win.Now I gotta go hide from Rocco. at least I can outrun that tub of pasta.
Pac outhit Bradley by 100 punches yet lost that fight. So it's more than just amateur punch stats.
Mayweather is a defensive technical amateur rules master.
Neither landed much but Mayweather landed enough.
Everyone talking about "ring aggression" needs to stop. This is not MMA in which ring aggression actually matters. The difference is that fewer contacts are needed to lead to a KO in MMA and much time is needed to get to a dominant position so you can submit your opponent, so you tend to get more "down time" in some MMA bouts thus the need to score "ring aggression".
I wanna see someone get knocked out. These old little guys won't deliver that. The only way Mayweather EVER loses is by knockout.
Alan
pacman wrote:
I am looking for one online and am in the USA and therefore I am entitled to view this for free for some reason. Anyone have a link?
I think Kell Brook could knock down Mayweather a few times but Mayweather would still take it on points. Amir Khan is deluded thinking he could beat Mayweather. Thoughts?
Former amateur boxer here. Floyd won easily. More punches landed. More clean punches landed. Manny moved forward? Then I guess Ali lost all his fights.
Money Talks wrote:
"I think Pacquiao should have won on aggression, although he was not effective either, at least he tried to fight."
Now for the facts:
The final stats revealed that Pacquiao landed a total of 81 punches out of 429 thrown, while Mayweather landed 148 of 436. Overall, Mayweather connected at 34% while Pacquiao struck a significantly lower 19%.
It was a blowout.
Now for more facts
Monkey May landed 148 little girl slaps
Pacmania landed 81 legitimate punches
Mayweather didn't land a single legitimate punch the entire fight
Loot wrote:
Now for more facts
Xxx May landed 148 little girl slaps
Pacmania landed 81 legitimate punches
Mayweather didn't land a single legitimate punch the entire fight
Then why do you suppose Pac was so cautious every time he approached Mayweather, and why do you suppose Pac threw so few (for him) punches?
runningart2004 wrote:
Pac outhit Bradley by 100 punches yet lost that fight. So it's more than just amateur punch stats.
Mayweather is a defensive technical amateur rules master.
Neither landed much but Mayweather landed enough.
Everyone talking about "ring aggression" needs to stop. This is not MMA in which ring aggression actually matters. The difference is that fewer contacts are needed to lead to a KO in MMA and much time is needed to get to a dominant position so you can submit your opponent, so you tend to get more "down time" in some MMA bouts thus the need to score "ring aggression".
I wanna see someone get knocked out. These old little guys won't deliver that. The only way Mayweather EVER loses is by knockout.
Alan
Did you watch that fight? It was a terrible, terrible decision and all the scoring media had it heavily scored in Pac's favor. But it all even out when he supposedly "beat" JMM>
I'm not a fan of "punch stats", they're just that, stats. Like a team that outgains another but loses by two TD's and is dominated the whole game. They are a measurement, but not THE measurement. That said, even taking that into account, it's another indicator of how boxing has slipped. I looked up Leonard/Duran I, probably the greatest Welterweight fight ever, but if these two thing they're legends, this is what they should be compared to. In that fight, per the stats, both fighters averaged about 60 punches per round, that's 120 punches, FOR 15 ROUNDS, vs Pac/Mayweather averaging a total of about 72. No wonder boxing has lost it's fan base.
Yes, I actually paid 100 dollars to watch this. So painfully boring to watch, except for the fact that two of the all-time greats were in the match. I don't know why I ever watch a Mayweather match. He's the most boring fighter. He runs, ducks, and clinches. It's clear why some people say Ronda Rousey would beat him up--assuming she could catch him as he ran around the ring. Pacquiou might have made it a better contest five years ago when he was at the top of his game, but lacking the endurance and relentless aggression of his younger days, against a man with a height and four-inch reach advantage, it was pitiful to watch. Even so, any non-expert watching the fight would say Pac should have won on aggression and being the more exciting fighter, but any expert would tell you Mayweather won easily because of his counterpunching. Mayweather seemed incapable of throwing a hard punch that would actually hurt Pacquiao, and the only really hard punches, thrown by Pacquiao, just couldn't connect with his dancing and running opponent. Of course, that's boxing. It's hard to call Mayweather's kind of boxing a "fight," but he's not stupid enough to go toe-to-toe with a real fighter and get knocked out. He plays the game of boxing perfectly, his way. I just feel pretty stupid for paying to watch this non-fight, when Dancing with the Stars would have been as much of a "fight." MMA is where it's at, for sure. In MMA, aggression and actuallly fighting matters. Unless an actual boxing fight happens in the future--such as a Hagler-Hearns or Tyson-Holyfield, this is the last boxing match I'll ever pay for.
wtfunny wrote:
pac didn't win much of anything. He had one solid round, 3 or 4, where he caught Floyd with a lefthand. Other than that, he didn't bother Floyd at all.
On the other hand, Mayweather did hit Pac seemingly at will. And he did enough to keep Pac's volume down .. a noted "flurry" puncher, Pac threw virtually the same # of punches Floyd did, and connected WAY less often. If Pac hadn't been worried, he'd have gone after Floyd some more, but he was pretty cautious.
If you think Pac won the first 2 rounds, for example, you didn't watch the fight.
I don't think it was a "great fight" at all .. about what I expected . but Pac didn't win it, or come close to winning.
You and I saw the same fight. I wanted Pac to win. But I realized, after the fight was over, that Mayweather had done it again. He did what he always manages to do: stop other fighters from following their game plan. Neutralize any and every offense with his combination of jab, big (and extremely fast) right hand, and wily footwork.
The punch track showed that Mayweather punched, and connected, almost twice as many times as Pac.
As far as I could see, each man connected solidly with each other man's head no more than twice in 12 rounds. Each guy got very momentarily stunned in that moment, but quickly came back on line. Mayweather's defense is so good that the much-vaunted all-angles, high-output attack that Pac and Freddie were planning just didn't happen. Why? Because Pac very quickly realized that even one false move on his part could lead to a big right hand from Mayweather, and a knockout. So he backed off the throttle the little bit that he needed to in order to survive that.
Both men were in excellent shape; both came prepared to fight. Mayweather forced Pac to fight his fight. I won't say it was a brilliant fight, but it was a superb boxing match. Neither man seemed to slow down or degrade in the course of 12 rounds. Neither man ever really got hurt. I don't think it was fixed. I just think that Pac didn't quite have the power or superior speed needed to take down Mayweather. Pac tried! But Mayweather was the superior fighter.
Mayweather showed once again why he is a tragic figure, curiously: he isn't much fun to watch. There's nothing the slightest bit fearsome or epic about what he does. But he IS brilliant, and entirely self-determined. It was astonishing how solidly he held to his apparent fight plan. He was essentially untouched at the end.
The tribute to Pac is that he, too, was essentially untouched at the end. He didn't look beat up. He never got knocked down. I think Floyd wanted to knock him down, but Pac never slowed down enough or lost control in a way that allowed him to do that. Pac, in that sense, did much, much, much better than de la Hoya, who Mayweather toyed with, wore down, and hurt.