Proof that genetics are key - Look at this picture of Asbel Kiprop

Bad Wigins wrote:

Even if I hated Kim wrote:

If like some in this thread, you believe that Kiprop got legs that long and a pelvis that narrow as a result of diet, you really have serious problems and shouldn't be allowed to post here anymore.

register a handle if you want to talk about banning people. Seriously. Until then you're just some ghost whispering in the shadows, lowlier than a worm on the putrid corpse of a dead rat.

And as long as you're gazing at guys' legs and pelvises, look at photos of people from other hungry countries. You may notice that many are tall but few are wide. It's an energy-conserving stature that results directly from energy deprivation during development.

Oh dear Gawd! Bad Wigins is by far the WORSE poster on this site. Spewing absolute crap as if it is a material fact. The sad thing is not that folks here believe him, but that he believes what he is writing.

I have read the following from other people here, it's time for me to repeat it - Bad Wiggins, don't go away mad...Just go away!

Running economy is important but not necessary. As they say, you can't judge a book by its cover. Talent, running wise, is pretty much hidden. I've seen a senior in college who looks JUST like Cheserek who ran 16:55 and PR'd..on the track. Also saw a chubby, almost overweight, guy run a 3:49 1500. There isn't one body type that makes the runner. Look at Kenensia Bekele compared to Kiprop.

Examples of hidden talent? Solinsky, Webb, Makhloufi...etc etc. It's especially prominent in D2/D3, but you clowns only consider 13:00/27:10 "talented".

I'm gone.

uhmmm..no wrote:

.Just go away!

uhmmm... no

I tend to agree that Kiprop is an under-achiever in one sense: unlike the 'Greats' he has never dominated the event. There were times in their careers when El G, Morceli, Aouita, Cram, Coe, Ovett etc, etc, lined up and everyone KNEW they would win. Kiprop has an inconsistency and tactical naivety which means you can never be sure.

not david epstein wrote:

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/images/saturday/stdrwduhqboj.jpg

Kiprop is so beautiful. When I hear Adele sing, i think "that woman was made to sing." When I see kiprop run, I think, 'That man was made to run.']

Get a load of this lard ass, he'll never amount to nuthin' by your standards:

Full name: Peter George Snell

Height: 5-10 (179 cm)

Weight: 176 lbs (80 kg)

3 Olympic golds

Shoulda stuck with rugby.

ScaryStuff wrote:

not david epstein wrote:http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/images/saturday/stdrwduhqboj.jpg

Kiprop is so beautiful. When I hear Adele sing, i think "that woman was made to sing." When I see kiprop run, I think, 'That man was made to run.']

Get a load of this lard ass, he'll never amount to nuthin' by your standards:

http://racingpast.ca/uploads/snell3.jpeg

Full name: Peter George Snell

Height: 5-10 (179 cm)

Weight: 176 lbs (80 kg)

3 Olympic golds

Shoulda stuck with rugby.

Kiprop is 10 seconds faster over 1500 because of his superior build.

Ssimilar engines but a Ferrari body on one and a Mack truck on the other.

Update wrote:

ScaryStuff wrote:

Get a load of this lard ass, he'll never amount to nuthin' by your standards:

http://racingpast.ca/uploads/snell3.jpeg

Full name: Peter George Snell

Height: 5-10 (179 cm)

Weight: 176 lbs (80 kg)

3 Olympic golds

Shoulda stuck with rugby.

Kiprop is 10 seconds faster over 1500 because of his superior build.

Ssimilar engines but a Ferrari body on one and a Mack truck on the other.

Silly comment. If Snell had today's mondo tracks to run on in 1962, and the pacers they now have, he'd have been a 1:43 flat and 3:32 runner at least.

There are less than a handful of men capable of that today, and Snell was running 50 years ago!

Snell is one of the 2 greatest 800/1500 runners in history with several world records and 3 Olympic golds. Kiprop isn't in the same league as Snell in terms of all time greatness. When he breaks the 8 & mile WRs and another Olympic title, then come back and you may have the semblance of a point.

Bad Wigins wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_food_energy_intake

US 3770 kcal

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Cuba 3300

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Japan 2810

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Kenya 2060

Next idiot please. Keep it coming!

Were you trying to prove that Americans eat twice as much as they need to?

ISBN wrote:

Update wrote:

Kiprop is 10 seconds faster over 1500 because of his superior build.

Ssimilar engines but a Ferrari body on one and a Mack truck on the other.

Silly comment. If Snell had today's mondo tracks to run on in 1962, and the pacers they now have, he'd have been a 1:43 flat and 3:32 runner at least.

There are less than a handful of men capable of that today, and Snell was running 50 years ago!

Snell is one of the 2 greatest 800/1500 runners in history with several world records and 3 Olympic golds. Kiprop isn't in the same league as Snell in terms of all time greatness. When he breaks the 8 & mile WRs and another Olympic title, then come back and you may have the semblance of a point.

That doesn't make what I said wrong. I'll even give Snell 4 seconds off his 1500..

Competition is way deeper now.

Kiprop has more competition making his national team that Snell did in his entire career.

Funk-a-Tron wrote:

The Champ wrote:

Asbel Kiprop managed by Frederica Rosa - same guy who managed Rita Jeptoo to her many marathon victories.

He is talented sure - but wouldn't be running 3:27 clean. Maybe 3:37? Maybe 3:47? Nobody will ever know. He is one of the most successful dopers of the 21st century.

You have a fascinating lack of non-circumstantial evidence for your claim.

Turned out he was doping.

And 2018 happened wrote:

Funk-a-Tron wrote:

You have a fascinating lack of non-circumstantial evidence for your claim.

Turned out he was doping.

+1

Got to love it when you can go years back and see who's knowledgeable in detecting dopers - "The Champ" knew what he was talking about all along. And the response by "Funk-a-Tron" sounds so much like rekrunner. Lol.

Update wrote:

ISBN wrote:

Silly comment. If Snell had today's mondo tracks to run on in 1962, and the pacers they now have, he'd have been a 1:43 flat and 3:32 runner at least.

There are less than a handful of men capable of that today, and Snell was running 50 years ago!

Snell is one of the 2 greatest 800/1500 runners in history with several world records and 3 Olympic golds. Kiprop isn't in the same league as Snell in terms of all time greatness. When he breaks the 8 & mile WRs and another Olympic title, then come back and you may have the semblance of a point.

That doesn't make what I said wrong. I'll even give Snell 4 seconds off his 1500..

Competition is way deeper now.

Kiprop has more competition making his national team that Snell did in his entire career.

Lol, I heard Snell liked to have a few beers after every race, whereas Kiprop preferred to load up on more EPO for the next workout.

Snell ran 3:54 in his first major mile race when he didn't even know how to pace it and just blasted the last 200m. Somebody claimed here recently he likely would have been the first man under 3:50 and when you look at the video you can believe it.

If Snell had been running today, on tracks like Monaco, in the Diamond league, had been 100% professional (inc. diet and alcohol), not retired in his prime, modern pacing (rather than non-existant pacing), even without EPO he would be running faster than Kiprop did, AND likely 1:41 in the 800m. And this is a guy who like most Australians/New Zealanders at the time of that athletic ability would likely 9/10 times have chosen a different sport which he was equally proficient in as a youth (and Australians/New Zealanders equally dominant at).

These old 'Running was rubbish before the Africans took over' posts are looking more and more outdated and foolish with every passing day and every new doping bust to come out of Kenya (and hopefully soon Epiopia). These people wanted to erase the entire history of non-African running and make 1989 or so 'year zero' when running became a 'real sport'. Now it's clear we should be erasing the last 30 years or so and even the IAAF came close to agreeing (and would have if it weren't for outrage from EPO GOATs such as El G.

Even now the evidence only reaches as far back as 2016, several months after this thread was written. I think my last comment on Kiprop was to see which performances get annulled -- this might give more evidence. Any idiot can say all winners dope, and they would be right, maybe even as much as 10% of the time. The faith in the powerful endurance effects of EPO is wide, and sometimes even reaches the top.

Now That's Telling It Like It Is wrote:

+1

Got to love it when you can go years back and see who's knowledgeable in detecting dopers - "The Champ" knew what he was talking about all along. And the response by "Funk-a-Tron" sounds so much like rekrunner. Lol.

That's not clear at all.

Coevett wrote:

Now it's clear we should be erasing the last 30 years or so and even the IAAF came close to agreeing (and would have if it weren't for outrage from EPO GOATs such as El G.

Asbel Kiprop is a real-life spider man. Daddy long legs spider, that is.

Asbel Kiprop

Height: 190 cm (6' 3")

Weight: 62 kg (137 lb)

BMI: 17.2

Compare Paul Chelimo, who has a BMI of 17.6 (180 cm; 57 kg) but still looks OK with at least some decent muscles.

Asbel's father was also one of Kenya's top runners.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbel_Kiprop#Personal_life

The Nation (a Kenyan newspaper) acknowledges that running talent is at least partly hereditary. They also give some interesting facts about his family.

https://www.nation.co.ke/sports/athletics/-/1100/636638/-/item/1/-/yjj7c5z/-/index.html

rekrunner wrote:

Even now the evidence only reaches as far back as 2016, several months after this thread was written.

I think my last comment on Kiprop was to see which performances get annulled -- this might give more evidence.

Any idiot can say all winners dope, and they would be right, maybe even as much as 10% of the time.

The faith in the powerful endurance effects of EPO is wide, and sometimes even reaches the top.

You're not going to start that all over again, are you? I don't think you realize how ridiculous you sound when you keep stating that same old montra. That being said, I realize it's all an act for you to stir things up (much like JonO does to fire people up). I got to thinking how after you've fired up so many people, most notably & recently Chad for example, you must literally laugh your butt off at how angry posters get with you. You're probably keeping a scorecard at home and sharing it your family over dinner and fine wine there in France. ? And I did notice that with the little hiatus you took over the last couple of days, things were pretty mundane on the doping threads.

It's all your act....

Que Sera Sera.....

I'm sure it's not half as ridiculous sounding as montra (sic), unless you really did mean "the short version of the Pahli word "Mahantra" meaning protection, its origin from the Kurdish word "Pala" meaning to take refuge under, dating back to the pre-Zoroastrian times in ancient Iran." Start over again? It's still the same single eternal instance, until someone shows me that athletes take EPO without a strong belief behind the decision. Are you suggesting Kiprop lacked faith in EPO? "mindweak" fires himself up and tries to blame others for his lack of focus and self-control, portraying himself as the victim after giving 100x more than he gets. Ooh. I didn't know I live in France now -- I am quite the mover. During my brief hiatus, I didn't notice any reduction of the baseless doping accusations. It was actually quite disturbing reading, as if the same players need support from each other, and an echo chamber, to reinforce their beliefs.

Not Buying It wrote:

You're not going to start that all over again, are you? I don't think you realize how ridiculous you sound when you keep stating that same old montra. That being said, I realize it's all an act for you to stir things up (much like JonO does to fire people up). I got to thinking how after you've fired up so many people, most notably & recently Chad for example, you must literally laugh your butt off at how angry posters get with you. You're probably keeping a scorecard at home and sharing it your family over dinner and fine wine there in France. ? And I did notice that with the little hiatus you took over the last couple of days, things were pretty mundane on the doping threads.

It's all your act....

Que Sera Sera.....