Awesome: Lagat Does Do The 10k! Bernard Lagat going for Haile G's Masters 10k record of 28:00 on May 10

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9 years ago 03/06/2015 2:50pm EST

re: Guppy

Guppy wrote:
The difference is those guys who are 38 were once elite. It's gotta be hard training your ass off every day and getting slower each year, getting further and further away from your PRs.

This has not stopped Deena Kastor, Magdalena Lewy Boulet, Colleen De Reuck, Linda Somers Smith among others from training hard to pursue their current goals. Their best days are clearly behind them, and whatever they are currently trying to achieve isn't as impressive as what they have done in the big scheme of things.

So what's the difference between them and someone who stops competing?

9 years ago 03/06/2015 3:06pm EST

re: Collin

Collin wrote:
Lagat ran 13:06:high last year and 12:58:high the year before. If he drops to 13:15 5k ability this year and also drops to 1:03:00 half ability, he'd be on track for a 28:07 10k according to Ventolin's calculator. However, he's only done one half and I don't think anyone assumes 62:33 was an optimal performance, as he was training specifically for much shorter indoor events at the time, not to mention that NYC isn't exactly a super fast course. If we peg Lagat as having 13:10 5k ability and 62:30 ability when he goes for the record, Ventolin has him as in shape for 27:55.
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Those types of calculators are for simultaneous shape. What event your training is targeted for is irrelevant.

9 years ago 03/06/2015 3:57pm EST

re: irigate

irigate wrote:
Collin wrote:
Lagat ran 13:06:high last year and 12:58:high the year before. If he drops to 13:15 5k ability this year and also drops to 1:03:00 half ability, he'd be on track for a 28:07 10k according to Ventolin's calculator. However, he's only done one half and I don't think anyone assumes 62:33 was an optimal performance, as he was training specifically for much shorter indoor events at the time, not to mention that NYC isn't exactly a super fast course. If we peg Lagat as having 13:10 5k ability and 62:30 ability when he goes for the record, Ventolin has him as in shape for 27:55.
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Those types of calculators are for simultaneous shape. What event your training is targeted for is irrelevant.

Of course that's true. However, 62:33 was almost certainly not his "simultaneous shape". The run was on a moderately hard course and he both started too slowly (on pace for high 63 over the first 5k) and ran too hard over 10k to 15k (paced for about 60 flat) in an effort to be competitive. With better pacing, 62:00 was probably possible that day. I suspect he won't drop to worse shape than 13:10 even by focusing on a 10k, and the extra distance training means that he should still be capable of at least somewhere in the mid 62s for a half. I still think my last line of fit is probably the best.

9 years ago 03/06/2015 7:52pm EST

re: Collin

Sick of this overage smiley dopper. His HGH jaw turns my stomach.

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