Hoka's and Leo in NYTimes

well,. wrote:

Hdda8 wrote:

I'm 53 and still am running injury free, but the pavement really beats my legs now. Im hoping the Hoka will put a little pop back in my legs.

Did you go through a bigger adjustment period with them, or are they just like any new pair of shoes you need to get used to?

Thanks for the info!

Probably depends on which model it is. Clifton is very much like any other lightweight, low drop shoe save for the very soft cushioning.

Good point well:

The low drop and soft cushioning can be a problem for someone with achilles issues.

Rocky Mt Thigh wrote:

I started wearing them after years of minimalist shoes (I'm in my 50s, running since Shorter was pre-empted by an imposter in '72).

The first day was like a dream, floating on clouds for 12 miles. Next day: shinsplint pain! I had started overstriding slightly, due to the lack of impact and extra bounce. So dovetail them in on your easy runs first, then work from there. Well worth the effort.

Hdda8 wrote:

I'm 53 and still am running injury free, but the pavement really beats my legs now. Im hoping the Hoka will put a little pop back in my legs.

Did you go through a bigger adjustment period with them, or are they just like any new pair of shoes you need to get used to?

Thanks for the info!

This is the info I was hoping for, your input is greatly appreciated.

I'm going to plan on an easy, extended break in period till I'm sure the adjustment is complete.

Thanks again.

When I saw this thread I thought it was going to be all about that quote, she really is nothing less than cringe worthy sometimes.

Leo will probably have a great race at USA's so talk trash if he bombs there.

skully wrote:

Good point well:

The low drop and soft cushioning can be a problem for someone with achilles issues.

I actually HAVE had Achilles issues, but I was rather excited to give the Hokas a try because of the excess cushion and softer ride. I do tend to work on the Achilles weakness with heel drops and lots of foam rolling (and a calf stretcher) when I am training more miles. Speaking to someone not so informed on shoe type and how/why it affects those areas, can you (or anyone else) give some more details to this quote? I have made many stupid assumptions concerning my weak Achilles so more info would be majorly helpful!

I also thought a HIGH heel drop would affect the Achilles more. Why is that not true?

newname wrote:

get real wrote:

NATIONAL title? Yawn. No one cares, annually.

At what level above running 3:30.98 AND winning a National Title should someone care? How much better would someone need to get before they merit your attention?

They would have to be more consistent. One good race doesn't make a season, in my opinion. If I am financially supporting the athlete, and if the athlete gets beaten soundly in that race, I am not impressed. Consistency counts.

Wow you are beyond stupid wrote:

get real wrote:

You just made my point, idiot. He wasn't running for Hoka then. You're dumb.

No Track Athlete was running for Hoka in 2012 a$$ wipe. You brought up the annual championship yawn bs. There hasn't been an OG since 2012 when Hoka wasn't doing Track...

let us know when you win a national title and run even a sub 6:00 mile...we know you aren't anywhere near a single Hoka Sponsored Miler..lol!!!

Lates you fckn troll!

Nice post! I like that you resort to name calling. You're an insecure guy. Poorly-written post, by the way. Bad grammar. Your post did nothing to prove me wrong. I already know I am not as fast as him, that wasn't the original statement. My points still stand. "Lates."

get real wrote:

They would have to be more consistent. One good race doesn't make a season, in my opinion. If I am financially supporting the athlete, and if the athlete gets beaten soundly in that race, I am not impressed. Consistency counts.

This is why Manzano is no longer sponsored by Nike. Love them or hate them, they did have reason to drop him--silver medal and numerous national titles included--because he has a terrible habit of running poorly. IMO, this has always supported my belief that he is clean (he has no super natural assistance, he fails because he is human) but frustrated me as a fan because I root for him.

Hoka made a good move picking him up, as others have said. He is a very talented athlete with incredible potential (fulfilled and yet to be seen) and he can be a respected face for them. Again, like it or not, Leo IS respected by people. Some people.

Hoka Fan wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/17/sports/forget-barefoot-many-seek-cushioning-in-running-shoes.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&region=CColumn&module=MostEmailed&version=Full&src=me&WT.nav=MostEmailed&_r=0

He's right, they are like running on clouds...

Who would know?

get real wrote:

Wow you are beyond stupid wrote:

No Track Athlete was running for Hoka in 2012 a$$ wipe. You brought up the annual championship yawn bs. There hasn\'t been an OG since 2012 when Hoka wasn\'t doing Track...

let us know when you win a national title and run even a sub 6:00 mile...we know you aren\'t anywhere near a single Hoka Sponsored Miler..lol!!!

Lates you fckn troll!

Nice post! I like that you resort to name calling. You\'re an insecure guy. Poorly-written post, by the way. Bad grammar. Your post did nothing to prove me wrong. I already know I am not as fast as him, that wasn\'t the original statement. My points still stand. \"Lates.\"

...you are weak and pathetic. I think everyone can agree on that point;)

Will see you at Nationals.....KNOT!

Lol at you fck wad.

Some of us are interested in the discussion regarding the shoes.

Why don't you two infantile morons take your slap fight to another thread.

Top 3 at Nationals and every U.S. Team at 1500 over the last decade is inconsistent?

Nike did not drop LEO so you can stop that lie too. Leo dropped Nike, that has been well documented.

Leo shows up when it counts. All the b races that don't mean a thing aren't when champions perform.

I'd say Leo is one of the most consistent milers in AMERICAN History. Period.

Only a retard would counter argue that fact.

This thread has a lot of tards wrote:

Top 3 at Nationals and every U.S. Team at 1500 over the last decade is inconsistent?

Nike did not drop LEO so you can stop that lie too. Leo dropped Nike, that has been well documented.

Leo shows up when it counts. All the b races that don't mean a thing aren't when champions perform.

I'd say Leo is one of the most consistent milers in AMERICAN History. Period.

Only a retard would counter argue that fact.

Ok, you need to calm down. First of all, performing well in a tactical race once a year is one definition of consistent, yes. (That was a generalization, please do not attack it) However, if you are really going to look me in the internet discussion board face and say Leo doesn't have inconsistencies, you are lying or blind. Outdoors, he has literally gone 3:35 3rd place and 3:59 DFL back to back meets multiple times. I would agree that most of his poor performances come in races that don't really matter, but significance of the venue or meet does not eliminate its existence. You are honestly the retarded one if you think you can say "It'd didn't matter, it never happened!"

And as for the reason he "left" Nike, no, I did not lie. I was wrong, and I apologize. I honestly did not know it was his choice not to go back and assumed (admittedly foolishly) that several of the interviews and articles written using terms like "STILL without a contract" suggested he was cut and struggled to find a new one. Obviously I didn't consider there were plenty of other possible reasons.

Honestly, dude, people like you (and many others on this thread in general) are the reason LRC sucks so often. Calm down. I wasn't being a jerk and I wasn't attacking Manzano. I gave an opinion about his performances (which in fact, CAN be supported) and even gave props to Hoka for picking him up. You need to chill your butthurt feelings just a bit, man.

axzxe wrote:

Some of us are interested in the discussion regarding the shoes.

Why don't you two infantile morons take your slap fight to another thread.

Are you 10 years old? You won't be at Nationals, unless you buy tickets and sit in the stands. Or maybe you make the Junior race.

My point stands... wrote:

get real wrote:

Nice post! I like that you resort to name calling. You're an insecure guy. Poorly-written post, by the way. Bad grammar. Your post did nothing to prove me wrong. I already know I am not as fast as him, that wasn't the original statement. My points still stand. "Lates."

...you are weak and pathetic. I think everyone can agree on that point;)

Will see you at Nationals.....KNOT!

Lol at you fck wad.

Are you 10 years old? You won't be at Nationals, unless you buy tickets and sit in the stands. Or maybe you make the Junior race. Calm down, I don't have to be a fanboy like you. I value different things, not one good race per year. I haven't called anyone a "fck wad" since I was 13. Pretty funny.

get real wrote:

Are you 10 years old? You won't be at Nationals, unless you buy tickets and sit in the stands. Or maybe you make the Junior race.

My point stands... wrote:

...you are weak and pathetic. I think everyone can agree on that point;)

Will see you at Nationals.....KNOT!

Lol at you fck wad.

Are you 10 years old? You won't be at Nationals, unless you buy tickets and sit in the stands. Or maybe you make the Junior race. Calm down, I don't have to be a fanboy like you. I value different things, not one good race per year. I haven't called anyone a "fck wad" since I was 13. Pretty funny.

...fck wad.

Now I'm going to do what every female who has ever seen your micro junk would do...YAWN.

...an "oxygen thief."

get real wrote:

newname wrote:

At what level above running 3:30.98 AND winning a National Title should someone care? How much better would someone need to get before they merit your attention?

They would have to be more consistent. One good race doesn't make a season, in my opinion. If I am financially supporting the athlete, and if the athlete gets beaten soundly in that race, I am not impressed. Consistency counts.

I your infinite "wisdom," what do the athletes sponsored by Hoka "deserve?"

Manzano, the current national champion, 5th fastest American 1500M Runner of all time, and the Olympic Silver Medalist, what does he merit?

Please share.

They shouldn't get paid if they run poorly consistently. What happens in other professions when an employee performs well less than half the time? Apply their performances to the real-world. What if you showed up to your own job inconsistently? You little men get all bent out of shape about my comments, and that's because you know there is a lot of truth to what I am saying. I didn't write anything all that controversial. You are either sensitive Leo fans or work for Hoka.

get real wrote:

They shouldn't get paid if they run poorly consistently. What happens in other professions when an employee performs well less than half the time? Apply their performances to the real-world. What if you showed up to your own job inconsistently? You little men get all bent out of shape about my comments, and that's because you know there is a lot of truth to what I am saying. I didn't write anything all that controversial. You are either sensitive Leo fans or work for Hoka.

A national champion, 3:30 1500M, Olympic Silver Medalist doesn't deserve a paycheck? Ok.

Let me guess he should be living in a card board box and eating out of a trash can because he is not El G?

Dude, you are mental.