Curious? Here's what I think the NOP is doing:

Okay then wrote:

is somebody supposed to drug test them and post a copy of it here? Theres a lot of suspect behavior seen by many. Cam levins himself probably even believes he is clean but what they are doing is in a grey area and he probably has a lot of people in his ear justifying certain things. They are doing more than eat, sleep, train hard to get these results.

Doing more than "eat, sleep, train hard" does not HAVE to include cheating. As many have said before, AlSal and the NOP are certainly good at the pushing the envelope when it comes to training as well as the science of body/recovery. But it's uncanny to see how many people use various interpretations of "cheat" to say the whole group is dirty.

likely regimens wrote:

Varied cycling between athletes to avoid blatant suspicion. All microdoses, and you better believe the labs at Nike ensure compliance with levels.

Including:

- Mechano Growth Factor (IGF-1 isoform)

- Myostatin inhibitors

- GW1516/Aicar

- EPO (CERA similar)

- peptides (GHRP-6 or CJ-1295 likely)

Combined with grey area technologies

-- alter g

-- cryosauna (some athletes report near immediate recovery from strenuous workouts)

- hypoxic chambers

This isn't quite rocket science, but smart dosing. It isn't cheating if your levels are compliant when tested. Collusion between USATF, USADA--watch out for WADA, but even they're corrupt. Just look how long they waited to blood test Jamaica! No surprise, farah & bolt virtually untouchable. Don't ask don't tell!

NOP wouldn't be doing any of the doping themselves,however they would use the lab to flag up any likely positives

any doping will be 2 steps removed from the nike centre of operations to prevent blowback

and not everybody on the team would be fully juiced-only a select few

John Clendon wrote:

likely regimens wrote:

Combined with grey area technologies

-- alter g

-- cryosauna (some athletes report near immediate recovery from strenuous workouts)

- hypoxic chambers

How are these things "grey area". They aren't doing anything other than a super ice bath, aqua jogging, and training at altitude.

They are "grey areas" because not every runner can afford them. For that matter, aqua jogging is a grey area, because not everyone has an access to a swimming pool. Altitude training is a grey area, because not everyone can afford to train at altitude. Even an ice bath is a grey area, because you may not have a bath tub to put ice into.

Other grey areas include:

- ultrasound therapy.

- electric stimulation.

- massage therapy.

- custom made shoes.

- GPS watch.

If some runners cannot afford something, that gives an advantage to those who could.

Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:

They are "grey areas" because not every runner can afford them. For that matter, aqua jogging is a grey area, because not everyone has an access to a swimming pool. Altitude training is a grey area, because not everyone can afford to train at altitude. Even an ice bath is a grey area, because you may not have a bath tub to put ice into.

Other grey areas include:

- ultrasound therapy.

- electric stimulation.

- massage therapy.

- custom made shoes.

- GPS watch.

If some runners cannot afford something, that gives an advantage to those who could.

That explains why Kenyan runners suck!

xenonscreams wrote:

likely regimens wrote:

Combined with grey area technologies

-- alter g

LOL since when is the Alter-G a grey area technique? You know that anyone can run on one of those, right? They're in a lot of physical therapy offices. They're great for coming back off of injuries without losing too much running fitness, or for getting in extra miles.

exactly!

Coach.. wrote:

NOP wouldn't be doing any of the doping themselves,however they would use the lab to flag up any likely positives

any doping will be 2 steps removed from the nike centre of operations to prevent blowback

and not everybody on the team would be fully juiced-only a select few

The more this ridiculousness carries on the more apparent it is that YOU are the one who is doping.

The hallucinogenic that you are consuming has turned your fixation on the NOP into a wild doping fantasy.

I suggest you lay off the sauce before you jump off the bridge

Coach.. wrote:

NOP wouldn't be doing any of the doping themselves,however they would use the lab to flag up any likely positives

any doping will be 2 steps removed from the nike centre of operations to prevent blowback

and not everybody on the team would be fully juiced-only a select few

The more this ridiculousness carries on the more apparent it is that YOU are the one who is doping.

The hallucinogenic that you are consuming has turned your fixation on the NOP into a wild doping fantasy.

I suggest you lay off the sauce before you jump off the bridge

Kenyans have an unfair advantage because they were born and brought up on altitude. They can engage in altitude training without leaving their home. They also have almost unlimited access to unpaved roads with elevation changes. That's an advantage over city dwelling flatlanders, who need to use treadmills for their "hill training." (Of course, treadmills are a grey area, since not everyone has an access to a gym.)

They also have an unfair advantage because they can safely walk/run to their schools, without anyone reporting them (or their parents) to child protection agency. That's another grey area.

Not all competitive athletes can afford shoes or a road without bullets flying. Roads and shoes are grey area PEDs.

http://www.channel4.com/news/somalia-racing-against-all-the-odds

Breathe in breathe out wrote:

Not all competitive athletes can afford shoes or a road without bullets flying. Roads and shoes are grey area PEDs.

http://www.channel4.com/news/somalia-racing-against-all-the-odds

Yes, and please don't forget tracks! Those dirty NOP athletes train on tracks ALL THE TIME. I watched it on Flotrack once. Such an unfair advantage, yet USADA and WADA do NOTHING. I demand justice for all of those runners out there who do not have the ability to access a track. NOP should have to build tracks for all of these runners to make it fair game, or stop using tracks themselves. I think I'm going to call up Al Sal right now.

Why would NOP use EPO and other tried-and-true drugs that are clearly banned if they could use newer undetectables? Then they could just convince the athletes that the undetectables aren't cheating--just cutting edge supplements and performance aids.

not the most doped wrote:

Why would NOP use EPO and other tried-and-true drugs that are clearly banned if they could use newer undetectables? Then they could just convince the athletes that the undetectables aren't cheating--just cutting edge supplements and performance aids.

Submit your evidence or STFU.

They frequently get their own blood testing. I don't think this is to monitor their own doping or any stupid conspiracy theory like that, but it's definitely to check iron levels, hematocrit, etc. regularly. The difference between them and another training group is that they can physically measure the health of their athletes and see whether they are in peak shape or not. I'm sure iron, B12, and so is supplemented as much as possible.

Was it ethical for Edmund Hillary to have used oxygen to get up Everest the first time? It wasn't until years later with Messner that a non assisted/non supplemental oxygenated summit was performed.

Anyone else think the OP is a shill for either Alter G or an altitude tent manufacturer? The "grey area" is just too laughable.