Curious? Here's what I think the NOP is doing:

Voice of Reason wrote:

Not a chance.

get your head out of the sand. levins runs 8:16 which would have been a very nsolid time at Pre many years. but no, he does it less than 30 minutes after 3:54 mile. Rowbury suddenly at career best, centro out last year with heart infection, now exploding & cocky as ever, Rupp runs like crap but guarantee he'll be on another level in just 2 weeks. these things don't happen naturally, there's such a thing as natural growth curve, all these athletes are recovering at unreal rates. you can't get this just by building strength naturally because you'd have to build strength at a rate that would exhaust/injure you. people who move on from NOP know

1) please give your real name

2) please give the evidence supporting your accusation

Before making demands of others:

1) please give your real name

2) please give the evidence supporting the accusation are false (i.e., a load of pics and vids of 24-7-365 surveillance)

Please throw your same bullshit accusations at Coburn and Simpson

I think it's fair to say that most people are suspicious of NOP. I also think it's fair to say that most people understand that NOP will stop at nothing to achieve its goal (win medals). The name of the game when it comes to professional sports is to outperform your opponent. This is no longer attained 'naturally' as we once conceived it, and anybody with an objective perspective understands this. However, I think that the crusade against NOP and track and field in general is counterproductive. It's only hurting our sport. If we want to bring T&F into the public spotlight, we need to test far less like all the major sports. NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL would all completely crumble if drug-testing was made a high priority. Remember, sports are about entertainment, and all surveys indicate that the VAST majority of people would rather see a guy run 9.58 than 10.0, or hit 70 homers than 45. Sports purists might disagree, but the average fan simply wants to see something crazy. Let the guys juice to the gills and let's get back to the crazy days. There's a reason guys don't run sub 7:30s with regularity anymore, or cruise 12:50s, or routinely dip under 3:30.

Don't forget the crushed unicorn horns and fairy sparkles.

likely regimens wrote:

Combined with grey area technologies

-- alter g

LOL since when is the Alter-G a grey area technique? You know that anyone can run on one of those, right? They're in a lot of physical therapy offices. They're great for coming back off of injuries without losing too much running fitness, or for getting in extra miles.

drugs are prevalent in track okay?? no new news

ppl who deny deny deny american use do so because

a) they themselves are american, so point finger to other countries. other countries do the same to us. really think were much cleaner than Russia? understand how political this all is pleease

b) athletes are likeable. so-and-so cant dope because he or she is nice, down-to-earth, honest, etc etc. none of this matters, rules of game are rules of game, unspoken rules dictate doping, top 26 guys after lance were doping, and I bet many of them were also "nice"

c) deniers claim lack of evidence. undetectable drugs mean that other evidence is necessary. plenty of that but people turn selective eye

d) want to believe in magic. wake up, no easter bunny, no santa claus.

e) elite athletes are for a reason. have extreme work ethic and desire to win. all want to be best and can rationalize peds. as previously stated, not considered cheating if most are doing it. every context has rules. I don't consider drinking coffee cheating when I have work in morning

f) think that peds in sport is inherently wrong. think that athletes wouldn't risk their bodies. nowadays, team of doctors ensure that athletes use peds in very safe sustainable fashions. not like old day sof rampant excessive steroids

g) lack of knowledge. most people choose not to understand pervasion of peds. they don't know and don't try. have no conception of natural performances, don't realize how much work goes into drug regimen when tim Montgomery ran 9.78 or marion jones dominated or el g ran 3:30 or faster 32 times

If you don't have proof, you're adding nothing to the discussion.

NEXT

Yes drugs are prevalent, but you're focusing on the wrong ones. It's not the fancy new stuff that's being abused, it's the same old same old: EPO and steroids. And the results coming out of Russia and Kenya shows that people aren't even beating the tests, they're just finding ways not to get tested or the testing agencies themselves are corrupt.

IMO you'd have to be an idiot to use the new stuff, which A) probably doesn't work super well, no proof that it does, and B) probably causes cancer and a host of other unknown side effects.

likely regimens wrote:

Combined with grey area technologies

-- alter g

-- cryosauna (some athletes report near immediate recovery from strenuous workouts)

- hypoxic chambers

How are these things "grey area". They aren't doing anything other than a super ice bath, aqua jogging, and training at altitude.

likely regimens wrote:

Varied cycling between athletes to avoid blatant suspicion. All microdoses, and you better believe the labs at Nike ensure compliance with levels.

Including:

- GW1516/Aicar

Don't ask don't tell!

USA athletes were tested in 1984 to check they would not fail tests during the Olympics. Sources are the lab technician who carried out the tests (who does not have proof) and er...Ben Johnson. I think it's a lot harder with more frequent and unannounced testing. NOP are cheating simply by having the best coach. May ASal has some theory that it's better for long distance runners to be in shape earlier in a Championship year than middle-distance guys..

is somebody supposed to drug test them and post a copy of it here? Theres a lot of suspect behavior seen by many. Cam levins himself probably even believes he is clean but what they are doing is in a grey area and he probably has a lot of people in his ear justifying certain things. They are doing more than eat, sleep, train hard to get these results.

Varied cycling between athletes to avoid blatant suspicion. All microdoses, and you better believe the labs at Nike ensure compliance with levels.

Including:

- Mechano Growth Factor (IGF-1 isoform)

- Myostatin inhibitors

- GW1516/Aicar

- EPO (CERA similar)

- peptides (GHRP-6 or CJ-1295 likely)

Combined with grey area technologies

-- alter g

-- cryosauna (some athletes report near immediate recovery from strenuous workouts)

- hypoxic chambers

This isn't quite rocket science, but smart dosing. It isn't cheating if your levels are compliant when tested. Collusion between USATF, USADA--watch out for WADA, but even they're corrupt. Just look how long they waited to blood test Jamaica! No surprise, farah & bolt virtually untouchable. Don't ask don't tell!

Editor's note. We changed the title of the thread from "Curious? Here's what INOP is doing" to "Curious? Here's what I think the NOP is doing" as it's speculation not fact.

Okay then wrote:

They are doing more than eat, sleep, train hard to get these results.

They are eating, sleeping, and training better than everyone else.

NBA, NFL, MLB would crumble with drug testing?!? Wow, what fantasy land do you live in?

People are either a) anti-drug or b) indifferent to drug issues. Nobody is pro-drug and would boycott the sport if there were no PEDs involved.

So, what would NBA, NFL and MLB look like without any PEDs? Basically the same as it looks today with slightly smaller athletes. Same marketing, same types of competitive results...SAME COMMERCIAL SUCCESS.

Look, if you want to make a case that PEDs are/should be ok, that's fine. But try not to include something so patently ridiculous to back up your case. It doesn't help.