How can you improve if you are at a high-level aerobically, but have no basic speed?

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9 years ago 01/30/2015 8:53am EST

re: Randy Oldman

If studies show that endurance training increases shortening velocities of slow-twitch fibers, if you had no natural speed, could your absolute speed get faster by just doing really intense aerobic work? And could your maximal aerobic speed actually get faster than your anaerobic speed?

Like studies on elite Kenyan runners who can go 13:00 and faster sat some have 75-90%+ plus slow-twitch fibers and basically no leg strength in comparison to controls, but can run sub-16 seconds/100m for the whole 5000m.

9 years ago 01/30/2015 9:06am EST

re: Smooth Daddy

Smooth Daddy wrote:
Sprint training does nothing more than (attempt to) train one's ability to momentarily summon maximum recruitment of motor units. That isn't the issue in distance running, which is about "speed reserve," or the size of the pool of motor units one has to call upon when running at a sub-maximum effort before there are not enough fresh ones left to sustain that given pace.

I've seen your posts on multiple threads the past couple days, and I'm amazed. Every time I doubt that you can't get any dumber, you do!

9 years ago 01/30/2015 9:15am EST

re: kldmfg0u93

kldmfg0u93 wrote:
The lack of reading comprehension of some people is hard to believe.
I stated he would NEVER break 14 for 100m.
The 13 second time was for the guy in the linked thread that wanted to run 25:00 for 8k.
30 degrees is steep but it is just a crutch to help you learn to get your toes down not a hill to build strength by climbing.
A lot of warmup sounds just like the recommended "after 5-10 mins jog warm-up and some dynamic stretching". The point of the fresh statements was to NOT slog through a 2 hour long run before the sprints.
It is not my concept of distance runner's basic speed. Did you follow the link?
The person who wrote it was so respected on here that he shared a locked thread, may he rest in peace.

You are still wrong. No true distance runner needs sub 14 speed for a 25 minute 8k

30 degress is impossible to even walk up, you have no idea what you are talking about.

A lot of warm up is several miles of running. Not 2 hours, 30 minutes or more gradually speeding up.

9 years ago 01/30/2015 10:42am EST

re: much better advice

much better advice wrote:
kldmfg0u93 wrote:
The lack of reading comprehension of some people is hard to believe.
I stated he would NEVER break 14 for 100m.
The 13 second time was for the guy in the linked thread that wanted to run 25:00 for 8k.
30 degrees is steep but it is just a crutch to help you learn to get your toes down not a hill to build strength by climbing.
A lot of warmup sounds just like the recommended "after 5-10 mins jog warm-up and some dynamic stretching". The point of the fresh statements was to NOT slog through a 2 hour long run before the sprints.
It is not my concept of distance runner's basic speed. Did you follow the link?
The person who wrote it was so respected on here that he shared a locked thread, may he rest in peace.
You are still wrong. No true distance runner needs sub 14 speed for a 25 minute 8k
30 degress is impossible to even walk up, you have no idea what you are talking about.
A lot of warm up is several miles of running. Not 2 hours, 30 minutes or more gradually speeding up.

Not a 30% grade, it's a 30 degree slope... It's possible to walk up

9 years ago 01/30/2015 10:46am EST

re: HonestThief

Reading comprehension problems much?

You can't walk up a 30 degree slope.

9 years ago 01/30/2015 10:48am EST

re: Bad Wigins

Bad Wigins wrote:
To get a high aerobic output from your muscles, you must push them to some level of acidity.

That's the most stupid remark that I've ever heard.

9 years ago 01/30/2015 10:53am EST

re: much better advice

Driving a lawnmower up a 30 degree slope

http://ventrac.com/images/advantage/slope_test.jpg

Running up a 40 degree slope

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z94NVESBto0

9 years ago 02/04/2015 12:36pm EST

re: Randy Oldman

The eye and the camera deceiveth. Look at that hill again at 54 seconds. It's not even 30 degrees, but the runners are on all fours most of the way.

9 years ago 02/04/2015 3:20pm EST

re: Marathon time?

Marathon time? wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
To get a high aerobic output from your muscles, you must push them to some level of acidity.
That's the most stupid remark that I've ever heard.

No, it's not. You're just the most stupid person who heard it.

You get nowhere near your max VO2 you get during your marathons. Try middle distance if you want to use some oxygen.

1 year ago 03/08/2023 6:11pm EST

re: HonestThief

HonestThief wrote:
much better advice wrote:
You are still wrong. No true distance runner needs sub 14 speed for a 25 minute 8k
30 degress is impossible to even walk up, you have no idea what you are talking about.
A lot of warm up is several miles of running. Not 2 hours, 30 minutes or more gradually speeding up.
Not a 30% grade, it's a 30 degree slope... It's possible to walk up

30 degrees is much steeper than a 30% grade. 30 degrees is a 58% grade

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