Is there any NFL player that could currently run a 4:30 mile?

dial it up wrote:

iouerterfd wrote:

Dude, were you able to get out and run the 4:30 today? There's still time. Remember to wear your football costume for added points. Also, put it on youtube. Should be a snap - ha!

It actually would be a snap, but what does that have to do with an NFL player doing it? Way to refute the overwhelming evidence of me being correct and you being an idiot by ignoring the post I referred you to.

Nothing - I just want to see someone run a 4:30 mile with no specific training and in football pads, you know, just to prove how easy it is.

I respectfully disagree. Although Ashton eaton hasn't run that fast a handful of other world class decathletes have run in the 4:15 to 4:20 range as referenced by earlier poster. Saying that none of the 400 some skill position nfl players can run a 4:30 mile because one particular decathlete with a similar build only ran a 4:35 is not an argument ender.

Even granting the strong emphasis placed on speed in the nfl it is likely that some small percentage of skill players have slightly better natural endurance and or efficiency than Ashton eaton. Not all nfl skill guys are 4.3 guys who are "too fast" to run a good mile. the goat jerry rice was a 4.7 guy and Larry Fitzgerald ran a relatively modest 4.6. Both of these guys were/ are workout fiends who incorporate 2 mile hill runs(rice) and intensive bike workouts (Fitzgerald) into regular season training. I don't believe if you are slow in the 40 you will be fast in the mile. I'm just pointing out that even among a highly selected group of nfl skill players there will be a variety of natural speed and endurance abilities along with a variety of training approaches/ dedication.

The players noted by myself and others ginn, sanders, rg 3, Lloyd, weatherford all have previous hs/ college long sprint/ hurdle or even for weatherford mid distance and indoor heptathlon experience. IMO, that experience coupled with gameday fitness and natural speed/ efficiency makes it conceivable for one or more of them to get under 4:30 without adding specific distance training. The hill runs, long shuttle drills, and bike workouts some skill players maintain would provide some minimal cardio base. During a surprise 1 mile time trial that had an incentive attached I think this minimal cardio fitness might allow the specifically referenced or similar background/ ability athletes to run for 4 and a half minutes at a pace that is somewhere between 15-20 secs per 400 slower than documented previous 400 pr. ( most elite trained milers run at around 8-10 secs per 400 slower than 400 pr)

Maybe you and others posters are right and paced through a 2:14 800 all of these guys would blow up and struggle home in 4:5x or slower. I doubt it though and would argue that the upper limit of a mile performance for very fit but not endurance trained 160-200 lb athlete is somewhere between 4:25.x and 4:39.x.

Za'Von Watkins attended a rival high school of mine and played WR. He ran 46.x for 400m, 1:51 for 800m, and 4:07 in the mile. I watched the race where he challenged FM's Nick Ryan in the mile at states, where they went 4:05 and 4:07. He runs and plays for Penn State now (I don't know if he is planning on going to the NFL or not) but he is around 6'2 180lbs.

Whom wrote:

The Dingo wrote:

Is there any NFL player that could currently run a 4:30 mile?

who

Why

so,All these runners that running 100 MPW,

run a 4:30 mile or better,.Training their ass off.

Yet.believe football players or basketball players

can ''easily run''a 4:30 mile with limited training.

Doesn't that make you guys look pathetic.

Yeah,your running 100 mpw.Yet some kid

who only plays basketball can supposely

run fastest than you. Doesn't that make running 100 mpw

useless.why even run 100 mpw.Just play basketball.

'I respectfully disagree. Although Ashton eaton hasn't run that fast a handful of other world class decathletes have run in the 4:15 to 4:20 range as referenced by earlier poster. Saying that none of the 400 some skill position nfl players can run a 4:30 mile because one particular decathlete with a similar build only ran a 4:35 is not an argument ender.'

Even iAshton ran faster it would not make any difference. How many times do I have to say it until something sinks in: Eaton is training for the 1500m (even if only 1/10 of the time. He also trains for the 400m, no NFL player is training for either a 2 mile plod round some hills is not going to cut it. Neither is some running you did 5 years ago. If a player could run 4:30 mile with no training for it what do you think they could run with training. It would have to be sub 4 at least. Is 400 supposed to impress someone. You could pick 10,000 people and be lucky to find one person with the ability to run sub 4 with the training. Do you think milers run 100 mpw just for the sake of it... and they have the natural ability for it!

nick83 wrote:

Za'Von Watkins attended a rival high school of mine and played WR. He ran 46.x for 400m, 1:51 for 800m, and 4:07 in the mile. I watched the race where he challenged FM's Nick Ryan in the mile at states, where they went 4:05 and 4:07. He runs and plays for Penn State now (I don't know if he is planning on going to the NFL or not) but he is around 6'2 180lbs.

Let us know when he makes it to the NFL and then we can have him run a random 4:30 mile. How much on the fact that it'll either be:

A. Doesn't make it to the NFL or

B. Won't be able to just go out and run a 4:30 mile

Yes,exactly. sometimes I wonder if people here

ever been to a high school track meet. Most of them are not going

4:30 or better.So,some kid that trains in running,run 100 mpw,

and is ''slower''than some football player,that only does football

training

I think many of you are underestimating how talented big time (NFL, NBA) athletes are. I train with a guy who was a late round NFL draft prospect as a WR (6'2/185) He ran a 2:01 800 ...in the eighth grade (and I looked that up to confirm).

Like many RB's, WR's etc. he got his start running track. Obviously big/heavy players in other positions do not have the running ability that the smaller athletes do, but I still think that a decent number of them (smaller athletes) would be able to get down to the 4:25-4:50 range for a mile with 1-2months of specific training.

The original question of "currently able to run a 4:30 mile" is probably not very many. But I think if you took a bunch of NFL players 5'8-6'2 and 165-185lbs, good speed, and did 1-2months of endurance oriented training, a fair number would get pretty close to 4:30.

As for 400m runners falling off a cliff at any distance over 400m, I haven't seen that to be true, as I've seen a lot (certainly the majority), of 46-49 guys open their season with an 800 of 1:53-58. While the upper end of this could be considered "falling off a cliff" I still think that you can basically take any sub 2 800guy, even very speed oriented, and turn them into a 4:30 miler with 1-4mo of different training.

letsbang wrote:

But I think if you took a bunch of NFL players 5'8-6'2 and 165-185lbs, good speed, and did 1-2months of endurance oriented training, a fair number would get pretty close to 4:30.

No one is arguing this.

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The original question of "currently able to run a 4:30 mile" is probably not very many. But I think if you took a bunch of NFL players 5'8-6'2 and 165-185lbs, good speed, and did 1-2months of endurance oriented training, a fair number would get pretty close to 4:30. [quote]letsbang wrote:

sure,whatever.95% of HS boy track runner can't run 4:30

or better. Ok,how come majority of HS boy track runner can't

break 4:30 with months or years of training.Yet,some football

player can do it in 2 month[quote]letsbang wrote:

iouerterfd wrote:

dial it up wrote:

It actually would be a snap, but what does that have to do with an NFL player doing it? Way to refute the overwhelming evidence of me being correct and you being an idiot by ignoring the post I referred you to.

Nothing - I just want to see someone run a 4:30 mile with no specific training and in football pads, you know, just to prove how easy it is.

Why would anyone do it in football pads?

sweetkid wrote:

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The original question of "currently able to run a 4:30 mile" is probably not very many. But I think if you took a bunch of NFL players 5'8-6'2 and 165-185lbs, good speed, and did 1-2months of endurance oriented training, a fair number would get pretty close to 4:30.

letsbang wrote:

sure,whatever.95% of HS boy track runner can't run 4:30

or better. Ok,how come majority of HS boy track runner can't

break 4:30 with months or years of training.Yet,some football

player can do it in 2 month[quote]letsbang wrote:

HS track has a huge range of talent and ability level, with the top 5% of runners (maybe even less tbh) being able to run sub 4:30. NFL players won the genetic lottery, they are like the top .05% in regards to overall athletic ability.

1) Decathletes do NOT spend 10% of their time training for the 1500

2) Just because the people you coach lack natural ability and need to run 100mpw to still run slow in the mile doesn't mean there aren't athletes who have to ability to train for football and s till run a mediocre mile

3) Everyone here acts like these guys are ALL Vince wilfork. Skill players train hard, weight lifting and short sprints also carry some aerobic benefit. As does 50-60 short bursts during a game. Guys already mentioned like rice and Fitzgerald actually do aerobic conditioning, I would be willing to bet there are more

No one has any proof that any NFL player has EVER run a 4:30 mile. (kickers not included)

A.I. did not run a 4:20 mile. This is myth

ZaVonn Watkins is not an NFL prospect

there's a different between a football playesr that also

does track or does long runs vs football players,who's main

training is football.

huge wrote:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=4245223

That, while hilarious, couldn't possibly be any less relevant to the discussion.

There are probably many NFL players who, given a year to cut weight and train, could run 4:30 or better. But right now? There could be one but it is unlikely without any history at 800m. They have had to add a lot of weight and muscle and while they are extremely physically talented, as well as skilled, the talent is defined by being very, very strong and explosive sprinters, leapers, and cutters, none of which is helpful in running a mile on the track.