Congratulations to Ron Hill -- 50 Years of Daily Running

Hodgie-san wrote:

Gary Oldman wrote:

Hill's streak ended years ago when he used crutches to cover a mile the day after knee surgery.

That's not running.

People desperate to keep streaks alive come across as delusional in their quest to make their silliness matter.

You don't understand Ron Hill or life.

"Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and tho’

We are not now that strength which in old days

Moved earth and heaven; that which we are, we are;

One equal temper of heroic hearts,

Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield. "

.Ulysses

Alfred, Lord Tennyson

This is more about what constitutes running.

However someone like Ed Whitlock fits your Tennyson much better.

Gary Oldman wrote:

Hill's streak ended years ago when he used crutches to cover a mile the day after knee surgery.

That's not running.

People desperate to keep streaks alive come across as delusional in their quest to make their silliness matter.

My streak is over 5 years old and my standard is at least 1/4 a day. Sometimes 1/2 mile and once in awhile a mile. But it is MY streak. I do weigh 350 lbs.

Maybe it is my delusion while trying to make silliness matter.

But that does not matter, I still have my streak.

Both Ron and Ed fit the Tennyson verse here, which is a really great piece. You don't quite get the point though, or at least don't want to acknowledge it.

jwr wrote:

I re-read "The Long Hard Road both volumes two or three times a year....great, great running narrative.

Just in case you want to keep up with his current running narratives and din't know this was around:

HRE wrote:

Both Ron and Ed fit the Tennyson verse here, which is a really great piece. You don't quite get the point though, or at least don't want to acknowledge it.

I like this one better:

Gary Oldman wrote:

Observing delusional people following another delusional guy.

Do you think you are bringing anything good to the World by posting here?

If we are delusional then just let us enjoy it and please refrain from commenting.

Thank you.

(if that other poster is right and you are SMJO then everything makes sense)

To me that's another endorsement for running every day if that's your thing.

Gary Oldman wrote:

Yes. I feel like I have given you reason to believe that you don't have to view random internet comments as suicide triggers.

I was suicidal. I am not suicidal now.

And if you think a simple comment on the internet from someone like you cannot be the last drop then you just show you know nothing about what goes on in a suicidal person's mind.

And because of your choice to remain ignorant, and because this thread is about running streaks, I will not reply to any other post from you, no matter how provocative it may be.

Back to streaks...

How did you start yours, guys?

I just wanted to run 100 days in a row.

One of Them wrote:

Gary Oldman wrote:

Yes. I feel like I have given you reason to believe that you don't have to view random internet comments as suicide triggers.

And if you think a simple comment on the internet from someone like you cannot be the last drop then you just show you know nothing about what goes on in a suicidal person's mind.

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I am fully aware of that but I can no more worry about that than I can worry that a facebook post where I enthuse about a beer might make my alcoholic drug addict friend start drinking again and slip into meth use.

When I was running in college in the mid 70s I knew I wanted to keep on after graduating. It was becoming more common and a couple guys who were older than me had told me that they also were going to keep going. But the next year I saw both of them and they'd stopped. Neither had decided to stop but life had changed and they missed a day here, three days there and just drifted away.I sort of laughed at those guys and thought that would never happen to me.

After graduating I went for a job interview. It was a nine hour round trip drive to get there and maybe three hours of interviewing. When I got home I was exhausted, had a big supper and went to bed. As I was drifting off to sleep it struck me that I hadn't run that day and paniced. The job had already cost me a day's running and I hadn't even started working. I was afraid that in a few months I'd be one of those guys who never planned to quit but did anyway without ever deciding to.

I needed to think of a way to keep that from happening. I knew that I wasn't going to be less fit the next morning than I'd been when I woke up that morning and that's when I figured out that the paradox of training is that consistency is the key but any single run is really expendable. I needed a way to make each day's run matter and that's when I thought of Ron Hill who at the time was just short of a ten year long streak.

I thought that if he could run every day for ten years, maybe I could run every day for a year. If I managed that I reckoned I'd have worked training into my post graduate life and wouldn't need a gimmick like a streak to get out each day. I was successful, had my best racing year ever and at the end of the year felt no need for a day off so I decided to go for two years. At the end of two years I felt no need for a day off and kept going.

That lasted for eleven years. By then I was no longer setting PRs, wasn't happy with work or with life in general and decided to take two weeks off to see if I really wanted to keep running. The break lasted five days before I knew I did want to keep on even as I got slower. After three years of taking days off I found that I actually recovered from illnesses and injuries more slowly than when I did a couple miles when afflicted and didn't really like taking days off so I decided to stop taking them.

Gary Oldman wrote:

stated another way.... wrote:

There MUST be something wrong with everybody that can do something I can't.

Only if they feel the need to bend the definitions and then repeatedly tell everyone about it.

How exactly does one "run" on crutches at 27 minute pace? Think about that and then look up the definition of running.

Well I'm sure other people would have a rule that if you have a car accident or something you are just allowed the day off or an * saying on crutches. Even in those none stop run records they are allowed a break - give him one!How does his marathon pr compare to yours and did you really run yours?

Only Mo Frarah has beaten his UK time in the last 15 years and Hill was working full time when he ran at his best

As we learn more about mitochondria we are finding that they are short-lived and need to be stimulated far more regularly than once thought. For brevity’s sake, for the most part, the discussions on the MB focused on the mitochondria residing in skeletal muscles. A few weeks is their lifespan and they die off quickly and easily. They have no repair mechanism like other cells. So your M count drops alarmingly fast when you take even short breaks. Almost completely ignored on the MB is the mitochondria residing in smooth muscle. Their lifespan is 2 days or so. The struggle in the elite ranks is to figure out how to keep the M count up without overtraining. So you find elite’s doing some hard work even the day before races, and even harder work almost immediately after a race. Now you know why it’s done. What’s this have to do with streak runners? They’ve accidentally stumbled onto mitochondrial science that is just emerging. The mitochondrial fire must be stoked very frequently, at least daily, and more if you can handle it. Ron found this out on his own and became a world-beater because of it. Congrats Mr. Hill, we salute you! You are way ahead of your time!

ukathleticscoach[quote]

Well I'm sure other people would have a rule that if you have a car accident or something you are just allowed the day off or an * saying on crutches. How does his marathon pr compare to yours and did you really run yours?

How about if you are in a coma for a week?

What on earth does your second statement have to do with anything?

Gary Oldman wrote:

ukathleticscoach[quote]

Well I'm sure other people would have a rule that if you have a car accident or something you are just allowed the day off or an * saying on crutches. How does his marathon pr compare to yours and did you really run yours?

How about if you are in a coma for a week?

What on earth does your second statement have to do with anything?

I would say being in a coma for a week should give you a pass in a running streak.

You are saying he did not complete his streak I am saying you are not a runner, by his standards.

ukathleticscoach wrote:

You are saying he did not complete his streak I am saying you are not a runner, by his standards.

Not sure what his standards or your standards are, nor does it have anything to do with the topic at hand.

Usain Bolt has won 3 world championships in the 100 meters in a row (5 global titles including WC and Olympics).

I mean, you have to give him credit for the win in Daegu even though he was called for a false start in the final. He tried to win. He was at the track that day and did some running. It isn't his fault the officials DQ'd him!

It sounds pretty clear that there was at least one day that Mr. Hill didn't run a mile or more.

Now, I will give him credit for attempting to run every day for 50 years (and apparently running pretty far on many of those days). Still pretty darn good.

Gary Oldman wrote:

ukathleticscoach wrote:

You are saying he did not complete his streak I am saying you are not a runner, by his standards.

Not sure what his standards or your standards are, nor does it have anything to do with the topic at hand.

It's relevant because you were criticizing his marathon training. Show your credentials or shut up.

Your the king of straw men and ad hominems on this forum so it's been hilarious to see you get your a$$ handed to you in this topic.

Great post, HRE. Thank you for that.

Claw Joe wrote:

Gary Oldman wrote:

Not sure what his standards or your standards are, nor does it have anything to do with the topic at hand.

It's relevant because you were criticizing his marathon training. Show your credentials or shut up.

Your the king of straw men and ad hominems on this forum so it's been hilarious to see you get your a$$ handed to you in this topic.

Straw man, ad hominem? I don't need crutches to dominate this discussion.