I'm not an engineer and I don't think every engineer is brilliant. But they're still way smarter than nurses, on average, and most don't work 36 hours/week either. What gives?
I'm not an engineer and I don't think every engineer is brilliant. But they're still way smarter than nurses, on average, and most don't work 36 hours/week either. What gives?
I sure wouldn't want an engineer giving me an IV or enema.
Nurses are smart enough to learn from doctors that protectionism works.
Socially awkward engineers would rather make less money than talk to each other and do something about their decreasing salaries.
well worth the money wrote:
I sure wouldn't want an engineer giving me an IV or enema.
That's a dumb argument. A brain surgeon would probably do a pretty crappy job checking inventories at WalMart if no one showed him how to do it the first time. So does that mean WalMart shelf-stockers are on par with brain surgeons?
Faulty logic. Intelligence requIred for a job
does not equal earning potential.
Alan
Protectionism, maybe? wrote:
I'm not an engineer and I don't think every engineer is brilliant. But they're still way smarter than nurses, on average, and most don't work 36 hours/week either. What gives?
There will be no "protectionism" for you (whatever that is) the next time you wind up a patient on my floor. You will, however, be treated to the one and only slow succinylcholine drip you will ever experience. And the last terrified thought you will ever have is, "Did that grinning creature just rip my wee wee off my groin in one vicious tug?"
I'd say that the course work and practicum required to be an RN is no less rigorous than for an engineer.
Professor Catessa wrote:
I'd say that the course work and practicum required to be an RN is no less rigorous than for an engineer.
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Supply and demand gives.
Nurses don't have the luxury of 8-5. most have to work wacky hours especially starting out so pay compensates for that.
Working with people's healt is a huge risk. It's also very draining. They also work pretty damn hard. Everyone is going to need a nurse at some point in their life, not everybody is going to need an engineer.
So... I went through engineering at the top ranked school in the world for mechanical engineering ... then went to med school ...Med school is harder in a different way. I believe 100% of my engineering peers could do well in med school, but maybe 20% of my medicine colleagues would even graduate from my engineering curriculum.Since med school >> nursing school in terms of difficulty, it's safe to say that nursing is way, way easier. You will almost never find a straight A student from high school who goes into nursing, or someone with a 3.5-4.0 GPA from a top-ranked (i.e. top 20) US university.The percentage of nursing students who could pass my engineering curriculum I'd put at a conservative 0.1%. They are just not wired for it, and complain about how hard nursing school is all the time. If they think that is hard, they have no chance.Regardless, they get paid more because of supply/demand and heavy unionization. That's how it works.
Lolololol wrote:
Professor Catessa wrote:I'd say that the course work and practicum required to be an RN is no less rigorous than for an engineer.
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Because nurses don't have to compete with nurses in Asia. That's what's limiting engineer salaries here-- a compareably skilled engineer in China earns probably $20,000. Though many companies have also discovered that outsourcing engineering to Asia doesn't work as well as they thought for various reasons, I.e.China will steal your IP and their engineers aren't necessarily well trained, plus their manufacturing tolerances generally suck.
Also, everything involving healthcare costs in the US is wildly inflated.
What most people think is a nurse is really a nurse's assistant. That is a job that does not pay well at all (25-30k). The next step up (LSN) is still not well paid (30-40k). The RNs make 50-75k a year, but have little opportunity to advance. They have 4 year degrees and are capable of doing a significant percentage of what a doctor can do. The top paying nursing jobs (anesthesiologist, ICU, oncology, etc.) often require more than a 4 year degree. The pay is 100k+, but is generally flat over a career.
Engineers are a dime a dozen and do not get paid top dollar out of school as a result. But there are many more opportunities out there for engineers. They can move over to the business side and climb the corporate ladder. They can start their own firm or move up to management level in an established firm. Thus, over a career, engineers will usually come out way, way ahead of nurses.
TheNavidsonRecord wrote:
not everybody is going to need an engineer.
This might be the dumbest thing ever said. How did you post this message? How do you get to work? Who designs everything a nurse touches?
Nurses work a hell of a lot harder than than most of us. Most nurses are in very important jobs and there isn't a ton of room for advancement.
They also don't get cushy pensions like military, government workers, or teachers.
Which profession would be easier to outsource?
Precious Roy wrote:
are capable of doing a significant percentage of what a doctor can do.
No. Not even close.
Also, the idea that "not everyone will need an engineer" is hilarious. Do you live in a building? Do you use any electric devices? Do you drive a car? Do you drink tap water? Etc. These things will all kill you if they're poorly designed, which is why we have engineering licensure and standards.
Thanks for pointing out the different types of nurses since they were all lumped together in the subject line.
Most nurses do not make close to what most engineers make.
Not an engineer wrote:
TheNavidsonRecord wrote:not everybody is going to need an engineer.
This might be the dumbest thing ever said. How did you post this message? How do you get to work? Who designs everything a nurse touches?
He probably posted the message on a laptop or an IPAD - don't need to be an engineer to figure that out.
What does it matter how he gets to work? Maybe he took the bus, maybe he took the subway, maybe he walked.
God is both the designer and maker of everything on this planet, thank you.
All engineers do is play with robots and see if they can drop eggs off of buildings without having them break.
Protectionism, maybe? wrote:
I'm not an engineer and I don't think every engineer is brilliant. But they're still way smarter than nurses, on average, and most don't work 36 hours/week either. What gives?
Nurses are our last line of defense. They are what separate us from the most corrupt and inefficient healthcare system in the world.