They'd have to figure out the Arkansas way of getting 40 national class athletes with 12 scholarships to be competitive in both track and XC.
They'd have to figure out the Arkansas way of getting 40 national class athletes with 12 scholarships to be competitive in both track and XC.
coachkritter wrote:
no excuse... wrote:It should be Oregon, Oklahoma State and Colorado every year. These 3 schools get the best talent in the nation year in and year out. This is where the footlocker finalists go. No excuse as to why one of these schools should not win EVERY YEAR...and they have for the past few years...Stanford gets more Footlocker kids than anyone (m&W) and does less with them.
College choices of Footlocker Finalists 2010-2013 (more than 1)
Stanford 8
Oregon 6
Cal 5
Princeton 5
Georgetown 5
Harvard 5
Syracuse 4
Wisconsin 4
Notre Dame 4
Furman 3
Iowa State 3
BYU 3
NC State 3
Colorado 3
Oklahoma State 3
UNC 3
Purdue 2
Yale 2
Columbia 2
Penn 2
Michigan 2
NAU 2
Virginia 2
Penn State 2
Oregon U wrote:
We are more good at business than them, and way more good than schools like Michigan and Texas. Only the most good and best students do our business program.
Really? More good? Ya you do go to a public school.
Easy there tough guy wrote:
Oregon U wrote:We are more good at business than them, and way more good than schools like Michigan and Texas. Only the most good and best students do our business program.
Really? More good? Ya you do go to a public school.
Says the guy who couldn't see the joke sailing over his head.
Stanford gets more Footlocker kids than anyone (m&W) and does less with them.[/quote]
This. With the Footlocker guys Stanford has had in the last 5 years that DIDN'T make their varsity, most teams could finish in the top 15 of the NCAA meet.
Sleazy Says wrote:
Eugene Clown Kollege be a fine akademikal skool. Sum of are granulates is top notch. Sum of are dropouts like galen rupp is very smart in applied farmasootikals. We gots a deeverse stoodent body that incloods a grampa frum kenya.
Do you know what is truly funny? How you all think grammar and spelling is indicative of intelligence. It's funny because anyone who actually studies language disagrees with you and by using grammar as your measuring stick you are actually just revealing your own ignorance. I hope you learned something besides grammar at your Ivy. If not, I would try to get my $200,000 back.
Why doesn't Oregon win every year? Because there are a lot of teams that are just as good with just as much/more money. The fact that you ask this question about Oregon is more complimentary than anything.
10/10
It seems that the lower the IQ, the more this guy's ilk post their Oregon hate.
Why doesn't Duke, Kentucky, or Kansas win NCAA basketball every year? Why doesn't Alabama win the NCAA Football title every year? Getting top high school recruits doesn't always equal national championships.
Agreed, it is difficult to repeat as a NC in most any sport. The question posed by the OP assumes that Oregon has all these top runners from across the country. However, taking a look at the "travel squad" that Oregon has sent to Terra Haute indicates the opposite. Other than their two studs, Cheserek and Jenkins, the Oregon team is made of mostly local kids with Travis Neumann (Bend, Oregon), Matt Melancon (Eugene, Oregon), Daniel Winn (Portland, Oregon) and Cole Watson (Rogue River, Oregon) filling out the team.
Factually Speaking wrote:
Agreed, it is difficult to repeat as a NC in most any sport. The question posed by the OP assumes that Oregon has all these top runners from across the country. However, taking a look at the "travel squad" that Oregon has sent to Terra Haute indicates the opposite. Other than their two studs, Cheserek and Jenkins, the Oregon team is made of mostly local kids with Travis Neumann (Bend, Oregon), Matt Melancon (Eugene, Oregon), Daniel Winn (Portland, Oregon) and Cole Watson (Rogue River, Oregon) filling out the team.
That's adorable, but just means that their other Footlocker guys aren't performing well enough to make the travel squad (Leingang, Pickering, Prakel), have already quit (Verzbicas), or were kicked off the team (Noelle).
There should be nothing against anyone who gets beat out by over performing local kids, and criticizing them (as you are doing), accomplishes nothing. Fact is, Jake Leingang is on their travel squad. Prakel is primarily a miler, but recently finished 2nd in the Oregon USATF XC championship (behind Andrew Wheating), so I'd say he is doing well. I think we all know the story behind Verzbicas and all the more power to Oregon for letting loose of a kid who isn't fitting in with the program. For the size of their track and field (and XC) program, it is rare for a kid to leave the Oregon program. It is safe to say that most of them realize what an ideal situation they have at Oregon. If that gives you heartburn, so be it.
What I'm saying is that you can't tell half the story. You can't gloat about how awesome they are about developing "local talent" without acknowledging that this means FL talent isn't currently performing as well.
So, it does give you heartburn to have to say that the glass is half full? In case you haven't noticed, FL results don't always translate to D1 collegiate success....you know, apples and oranges.
stateezee wrote:
[quote]coachkritter wrote:
College choices of Footlocker Finalists 2010-2013 (more than 1)
NC State 3
I don't know the numbers for your other schools, but they are off here. Just off the top of my head, and this is just boys, Ryan Hill, Bobby Mack, Eric Mack, Alan Bader, Wes Smith, Gavin Coombs, and Sandy Roberts (although he was a transfer) all went to NC State and qualified for Footlocker between 2000 and 2013.
Numbers are off wrote:
stateezee wrote:[quote]coachkritter wrote:
College choices of Footlocker Finalists 2010-2013 (more than 1)
NC State 3
I don't know the numbers for your other schools, but they are off here. Just off the top of my head, and this is just boys, Ryan Hill, Bobby Mack, Eric Mack, Alan Bader, Wes Smith, Gavin Coombs, and Sandy Roberts (although he was a transfer) all went to NC State and qualified for Footlocker between 2000 and 2013.
My bad, I read 2000 instead of 2010. After a long day of looking at the computer at work the numbers and letters start to swim.
Not easy, but John did it at Arkansas year in and year out. His formula: 1500 guys who could run XC and also double on the track, horizontal jumpers who could double and also sprint. Then a few guys who could score in the disc and shot. Not rocket science, but a damn good way to leverage 12.5 scholarships.
BTW, I was one of his distance guys but not good at 1500 (the only one there with no leg speed). I guess I was the anomaly. I ran 4 NCAA XC championships - best of 2nd as a team behind UTEP in 1980. Ended up with 4 track all American certificates and the 10K record for a number of years
Uninformed Posters wrote:
For those who are oblivious to the facts, the Oregon women are the defending national XC champions.
No. They were 14th.
Uninformed Posters wrote:
Oregon is in fact rated in the top 1/3 of all public universities in the United States.
Top 1/3rd of public schools doesn't mean shit.
I think the poster was referring to 2012, when the Oregon women were the champions. They were defending champions last year, not this year. They don't have a Jordan Hasay type this year, but they are pretty good with depth and could be in the top three.
For those of you ragging on Oregon and Stanford, you must realize they are doing many times better than Cal, who got 5 in that timespan and since then managed 2 last places at Pac 12, and one 7/9.
It's hard to develop talent that trained so well in high school, but at least they don't completely drop the ball like Cal.