or at least be top 3.
You would think that they would be better - they could probably get a few of the top 10 recruits every year, each year.
Is it a limitation of scholarship money - they just can't buy enough people? Is the school not good enough academically? does track dilute the xc program? Is it a meat grinder program?
They don't like Vin's style of coaching or the team he puts together. They would like to study something that the school doesn't have a strong major for. They would rather stay closer to home.
There are nicer places to be than Eugene.
Pretty simple really. Oregon has to spread its scholarship offers among the distance (including XC) kids and the rest of the track athletes. And it needs to do it in such a way as to remain competitive with the pure track team schools, i.e. those that don't care about XC. Places like Colorado just load up on distance/XC runners and take on the occasional sprinter or hammer thrower, but CU will never be competitive for overall track titles like Oregon.
The best highschoolers don't always make the best college athletes. Not to mention their coaches aren't head and shoulders above the rest.
Perhaps. But also its not like Oregon has some monopoly on state of the art training facilities and overall training environment. There is obviously no "Hayward Magic" with Oregon xcI mean why don't you ask the same question about University of Colorado? Or some California schools or Big-10 schools. Its laughable imagining a school like Ohio State saying they would like to always be in the top 10 of x country but they just can't compete with all the money and prestige of Oregon.
duck soup wrote:
There are nicer places to be than Eugene.
According to LetsRun there are somewhere between 5 and 10 schools that "should" win NCAA's every year based on all the talent they get. And the other 4 to 9 that don't win every year are "meat grinder programs" (whatever that is supposed to mean).
They do pretty well, but even with "Oregon math" determining how many counters they have on the squad, they have a lot of scholarships invested outside of the distance events.
When they won outdoors last summer, they scored points in the decathlon, low hurdles(football counter), 200m, Javelin, 400m. Keys, Crouser, Delany, and Berry took scholarships that at CU or OKST would go to distance runners.
Overall, they went 5th in cross, 1st indoor, and 1st outdoor. I can't see my way clear to find fault with that kind of production.
John Clendon wrote:
They don't like Vin's style of coaching or the team he puts together. They would like to study something that the school doesn't have a strong major for. They would rather stay closer to home.
You are aware that Vin doesn't coach at Oregon?
Oregon klown kollege has the highest paid runners, the most outrageous age cheating kenyan, and they are all on the best peds. There is no excuse for losing.
This thread has some posts that indicate just how ignorant and ill informed some people on LR can be. For starters, Vin hasn't been coaching track and field at Oregon for several years. Robert Johnson is the men's and women's head coach. On top of that, Vin has not been the XC coach for quite a few years. Andy Powell is the men's XC coach and Maurica Powell coaches the women's XC and distance runners.
For those who are oblivious to the facts, the Oregon women are the defending national XC champions. Regarding academics, Oregon is normally well thought of with several of the top programs in the country and inclusion in elite organizations reserved for top academic universities. Oregon is in fact rated in the top 1/3 of all public universities in the United States.
Eugene Clown Kollege be a fine akademikal skool. Sum of are granulates is top notch. Sum of are dropouts like galen rupp is very smart in applied farmasootikals. We gots a deeverse stoodent body that incloods a grampa frum kenya.
duck soup wrote:
There are nicer places to be than Eugene.
Better places to train in particular. Awful weather and no indoor track.
Tradition has quite a bit to do with recruiting. At Arkansas in the early 90's, we were getting top recruits to come to Fayettteville for 1/2 or even 1/4 scholarships. We counted 19 guys in a Sunday long run once (current team and alums still training with John as pros) that had a mile pb < 4 minutes. The little mountain town wasn't glamorous, but it was 100% behind us. We all felt that. On top of that, John turned out champions. As I said, who in their right mind would go live in Arkansas? I think it is much the same at Oregon.
Check the "Class of 2019 Commits" thread for an excellent explanation of this...http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&id=6125352&thread=6071060#6125352
It should be Oregon, Oklahoma State and Colorado every year. These 3 schools get the best talent in the nation year in and year out. This is where the footlocker finalists go. No excuse as to why one of these schools should not win EVERY YEAR...and they have for the past few years...
no excuse... wrote:It should be Oregon, Oklahoma State and Colorado every year. These 3 schools get the best talent in the nation year in and year out. This is where the footlocker finalists go. No excuse as to why one of these schools should not win EVERY YEAR...and they have for the past few years...
Stanford gets more Footlocker kids than anyone (m&W) and does less with them.
duck soup wrote:
There are nicer places to be than Eugene.
LOL, that's the truth.
On the other hand, the facilities are great, the coaches and support staff are great.
Spreading scholarships out across a whole track and field team makes it unlikely Oregon will win often, when other schools designate most of their scholarships to distance runners.
The same question could be asked of Colorado, they have an amazing coach, and could focus only on distance running if they wanted to.
Dude stop making fun of us. Do you realize how good at academics we are? We're the best public school. Even better than UVA. We are more good at business than them, and way more good than schools like Michigan and Texas. Only the most good and best students do our business program.
Sleazy Says wrote:
a grampa frum kenya.
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